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[Stealersrule]

And if that winer Mike Holmgren was still with the Pack, their loss would be all the refs fault.

[GBGuy20]

tough loss to take :/

Originally Posted by Stealersrule

And if that winer Mike Holmgren was still with the Pack, their loss would be all the refs fault.

according to the standards at AT..you should be banned for life for that statement..take it back

[loangod]

This thread is hereby on the shelf until summer....

[eoeleven]

Bad calls are bad calls they happen in almost every single football game in America. If you lose one because of calls it is probably pay back for one you won because of calls.

The fact is if your team gives up 51 points you should lose.

I was excited to see the packers go from 6 wins to 11.

I was excited to see the packers return to the playoffs.

I was excited to see Rodgers go from just another young QB to a guy closing quickly on the upper echelon of QBs in the NFL.

Still the second youngest team in football.

A defensive player of the year candidate!

A defensive rookie of the year candidate!

A rookie pro bowler for the first time since 1978!

And a QB that takes the high road after a big loss and accepts the blame, even some that is not his.

Things to work on sure...

Overall team depth; bit the packers in the butt all year if a starter went out his back up was not ready to play.

3/4 versus 3/4 teams seems like other than Dallas and Cleveland the Packers D really struggled against teams that practice against the 3/4. I think some of what we saw was old Capers cronies taking advantage of his tendencies but some of it too is there are holes in the 3/4 if you know where to look.

Define a role for Hawk, one week he is a rotation piece, the next week they run the entire defense through him, yet another purely run stuffing, another purely pass protections, and then a Blitzer. Every player deserves a primary role and then can be moved about some from there. However not knowing what you are going to be responsible for week in week out is not conducive to results.

Decisions lots of packers need new contracts, not all of them will get them.

Drafting 23rd is a crap shoot. Outstanding picks 23rd like Michael Oher, Antoine Winfield. and Ty Law are off set with some really horrible Shantel Carvers, and health problems like Willis McGahee, Duece McAllister, Antoine Smith.

Over all I can say I am VERY happy with the Packers season and am very much looking forward to the future of the Green and Gold.

[Stealersrule]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

Bad calls are bad calls they happen in almost every single football game in America. If you lose one because of calls it is probably pay back for one you won because of calls.

The fact is if your team gives up 51 points you should lose.

I was excited to see the packers go from 6 wins to 11.

I was excited to see the packers return to the playoffs.

I was excited to see Rodgers go from just another young QB to a guy closing quickly on the upper echelon of QBs in the NFL.

Still the second youngest team in football.

A defensive player of the year candidate!

A defensive rookie of the year candidate!

A rookie pro bowler for the first time since 1978!

And a QB that takes the high road after a big loss and accepts the blame, even some that is not his.

Things to work on sure...

Overall team depth; bit the packers in the butt all year if a starter went out his back up was not ready to play.

3/4 versus 3/4 teams seems like other than Dallas and Cleveland the Packers D really struggled against teams that practice against the 3/4. I think some of what we saw was old Capers cronies taking advantage of his tendencies but some of it too is there are holes in the 3/4 if you know where to look.

Define a role for Hawk, one week he is a rotation piece, the next week they run the entire defense through him, yet another purely run stuffing, another purely pass protections, and then a Blitzer. Every player deserves a primary role and then can be moved about some from there. However not knowing what you are going to be responsible for week in week out is not conducive to results.

Decisions lots of packers need new contracts, not all of them will get them.

Drafting 23rd is a crap shoot. Outstanding picks 23rd like Michael Oher, Antoine Winfield. and Ty Law are off set with some really horrible Shantel Carvers, and health problems like Willis McGahee, Duece McAllister, Antoine Smith.

Over all I can say I am VERY happy with the Packers season and am very much looking forward to the future of the Green and Gold.

Your information is old. Woodson was named AP Defensive Player of the year

[loangod]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

Bad calls are bad calls they happen in almost every single football game in America. If you lose one because of calls it is probably pay back for one you won because of calls.

The fact is if your team gives up 51 points you should lose.

I was excited to see the packers go from 6 wins to 11.

I was excited to see the packers return to the playoffs.

I was excited to see Rodgers go from just another young QB to a guy closing quickly on the upper echelon of QBs in the NFL.

Still the second youngest team in football.

A defensive player of the year candidate!

A defensive rookie of the year candidate!

A rookie pro bowler for the first time since 1978!

And a QB that takes the high road after a big loss and accepts the blame, even some that is not his.

Things to work on sure...

Overall team depth; bit the packers in the butt all year if a starter went out his back up was not ready to play.

3/4 versus 3/4 teams seems like other than Dallas and Cleveland the Packers D really struggled against teams that practice against the 3/4. I think some of what we saw was old Capers cronies taking advantage of his tendencies but some of it too is there are holes in the 3/4 if you know where to look.

Define a role for Hawk, one week he is a rotation piece, the next week they run the entire defense through him, yet another purely run stuffing, another purely pass protections, and then a Blitzer. Every player deserves a primary role and then can be moved about some from there. However not knowing what you are going to be responsible for week in week out is not conducive to results.

Decisions lots of packers need new contracts, not all of them will get them.

Drafting 23rd is a crap shoot. Outstanding picks 23rd like Michael Oher, Antoine Winfield. and Ty Law are off set with some really horrible Shantel Carvers, and health problems like Willis McGahee, Duece McAllister, Antoine Smith.

Over all I can say I am VERY happy with the Packers season and am very much looking forward to the future of the Green and Gold.

You guys did have a good year, better than I thought. Congrats and I think you are spot on in your analysis, except for Hawk. I still believe he is very mediocre and somewhat of a liability. Upgrade on both the O and D line is a must, especially the O side. Eventually Rogers won't get back up.

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by Stealersrule

Your information is old. Woodson was named AP Defensive Player of the year

well deserved he had a dominant year

I hope that all the packer fans screaming about TT not buying free agents equate that Charles Woodson was a big name free agent, maybe the best free agent buy in the last five years.

[GBGuy20]

eo, i figure you will know the answer to this.

is there any top safeties out there in free agency this year? or one we could draft in the top 3 rounds that could replace bigby? Was talking on another forum about bigby and his injuries and whether he is worth the payday will be expecting this offseason. so the thought came up, who would we replace him with?

~sorry if this has already been answered somewhere~

[Stealersrule]

Originally Posted by GBGuy20

eo, i figure you will know the answer to this.

is there any top safeties out there in free agency this year? or one we could draft in the top 3 rounds that could replace bigby? Was talking on another forum about bigby and his injuries and whether he is worth the payday will be expecting this offseason. so the thought came up, who would we replace him with?

~sorry if this has already been answered somewhere~

Safeties:

Antoine Bethea: It's difficult to imagine the Colts without Bob Sanders, and it's obvious Sanders will be a Colt for a very long time (at least until 2013) but perpetual injuries to the All Pro saftey cause the Colts to "move on without him" on a yearly basis and, although his absence is often a considerable setback, they always seem to do so. In 2009, the Colts got a lot out of Melvin Bullitt, but the third year safety out of Texas A&M is also a free agent, albeit a restricted one, who has displayed enough ability to step into a starting role opposite Sanders in 2010 if tendered to a one year deal that would certainly be more cost efficient than retaining Antoine Bethea. It would make a lot of sense for teams like Chicago or Minnesota to obtain Bethea's services as both teams still uphold the ideals of a Tampa Two-esque defense and could use improvement/depth at safety.

Ryan Clark: While the Steelers got a good look at what their defense looks like without Troy Polamalu this year, they also got a look at how their defense performs without Ryan Clark last year, yet didn't take any measures to add depth or find a successor to Clark in the offseason and instead thinned out at the safety position when 2006 3rd round pick Anthony Smith was let go. Now not only do the Steelers face losing Ryan Clark, but backup safety Tyrone Carter is also a free agent and you have to wonder how sturdy the Steelers' stance is in their proven philosophy of perseverance beyond the tenures of high-profile players. There's no doubt Pittsburgh's secondary is in flux and they may have their eye on some draft prospects, but unless the certainty to obtain those players is rock-solid, maintaining Clark for another season is paramount.

Nick Collins: After parting ways with Aaron Rouse (now with the Giants) and tendering the talented Atari Bigby, who was a restricted free agent in '09, to a one year deal that no other team's matched, the Packers now face both depth and fincancial issues at the safety position. Tendering Bigby to a deal (that was above what most teams might have thought he was worth ($1.545 million) was the right move in that had a team matched the offer, the Pack would have received a quality draft pick; however, with Bigby performing as good or better than he did in '09, it will take a more lucrative deal to retain him. In the case of Nick Collins, who has been consistent in the secondary since being drafted in the 2nd round of the '05 draft, the financial committment may be even more. Both safeties are still young (Collins, 26 & Bigby, 28) and at least one should be offered a long-term, unless rookie Trevor Ford is moved to free safety and Derrick Martin, Atari Bigby's back-up who is also a free agent, is the one retained. Then again, there's a situation in New Orleans with Darren Sharper that could pique the Packers' interest if they wanted to make the All Pro veteran an offer to return to Titletown.

Brodney Pool: Whether or not the Cleveland Browns part ways with Brodney Pool could be determined by the new GM and/or the possibility of a new head coach. It was obvious to everyone except the decision makers in Cleveland that an influx of New York Jets players wasn't a budding success story, and after losing Brodney Pool for the remainder of the season in week twelve, some signs of needing a patrolman in the secondary have been evident. If Eric Mangini is fired and a new coaching staff put in place, there could be a complete overhaul of the defense but for a young, blossoming pair of corners in Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald, it might be a better choice to keep Brodney Pool on the roster with either a long-term deal or the franchise tag.


New Orleans Safety Darren Sharper


Darren Sharper: What was potentially the greatest offseason acquisition in free agency went considerably under the radar last year and has been building momentum toward what will be a headlining story in free agency this year. But it's buyer beware in Darren Sharper's case as Sharper's story happens all too often in the NFL and his outstanding play on the field in 2009 could have been the last of what's left in the tank for a veteran player who's frequently explored the media career many players look into in life after the NFL. As the scent of a Super Bowl title lingers thick for a player with a thirst like Darren Sharper's, the "leave it all on the field" mentality grows stronger until the dream is accomplished or lost, and all that's left in either event is reality. It's likely a mutual feeling between Sharper and the Saints franchise of a one year signing won't have the safety back in The Big Easy next season and the Saints have the much younger Roman Harper to deal with in free agency as well, but if the Saints do re-sign Darren Sharper, it'll be boom or bust and a quality draft pick will need to be spent on an insurance policy.

Pat Watkins: The Dallas Cowboys have been signing, drafting and jostling players in the secondary for a few years now and still haven't really settled on much. But free agent veteran Gerald Sensabaugh and '07 seventh round pick Alan Ball have climbed over Pat Watkins on the depth chart, probably awaiting their respective successors once they don't work out either. But a methodical, twelve pick draft by Jerry Jones did bring some depth to the entire team and, notably, the secondary so the loss of Watkins probably won't be felt. As for the contribution Pat Watkins could bring to another team, it will likely be in the depth department and/or on special teams. But Watkins has had his shining moments and, if he's able to put it all together with his next team- possibly the Saints, Packers, Seahawks or 49ers- he could be prove to be a valuable acquisition.

On the Move? With a spark of youth in the Indianapolis secondary, it remains to be seen when the Colts will finally say "enough is enough" for the oft-injured Bob Sanders. If it comes in 2010, it likely won't come from the Colts organization themselves, but rather a tempting offer from another team who knows those thoughts are weighing on important minds. It would be bold, there's no doubt about that, but the NFL's proven itself to be a bold business of late and, sometimes, significant ties need to be severed.