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[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by loangod

hehehe...kind of like bonding with underage baby sitters in whirlpools, right EO?

he was an ex-player and it was a bathroom but yeah

[loangod]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

he was an ex-player and it was a bathroom but yeah

More Packer tidbits.......

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2006P...sonRanking.htm

PFT PRESEASON POWER RANKINGS: NUMBER 31


On Saturday, we identified the team that enters the 2006 season from the lowest spot on the NFL's ladder -- the Buffalo Bills.


But who's the team in most danger to assume the basement? We give you Number 31 . . . .


The Green Bay Packers.


Before a few thousand cheeseheads descend on PFT's world headquarters with pitchforks, torches, and those toothpicks with the plastic tail feathers that hold together the cubes of baby Swiss, hear us out. This is a ranking of where we view the team to be right now. By January, the Packers could be wearing the NFC North crown for the fourth time in the division's five-year existence. (Of course, that's only because the rest of the division is so **** dreadful.)


The biggest part of the problem, in our view, is the continued presence of the man whom we've lovingly come to know as Lord Favre. The combination of new coach and new offensive system with an aging quarterback more stubborn than an overweight mule on a humid day in Duluth is a recipe for deeeee-zaster.


That's why we're certain that G.M. Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy publicly paid homage to the future Hall of Famer but privately wished that he'd pack it in so that they then could find out what they have in Aaron Rodgers. Before either Thompson or McCarthy get, you know, fired.


Instead, Favre is coming back for at least one more "go". Recently, there have been stories about how he's learning new terminology for the first time in 15 years.


Yeah, this is gonna work. About as well as a grandpa who thinks "Bluetooth" is what happens after drinking too much berry Kool Aid.


Making matters worse is that the team has otherwise made only modest upgrades on offense. Running backs Ahman Green and Najeh "Dookie" Davenport, neither of whom could muster any interest elsewhere in free agency, took one-year deals after suffering through injury-shortened seasons in 2005. Despite having more cap room than Abe Lincoln with a crew cut, the Packers made no effort to bring in someone like Edgerrin James to give the running game a spark.


But they did find a way to outbid the Vikings for the services of 30-something fullback William Henderson, yet another guy who'll be learning a new offense from scratch after years in the West Coast attack first installed by Mike Holmgren in 1992.


At receiver, a bad position got worse when Javon Walker finally forced his way out of town. The only holdovers of note are Donald Driver and Robert Ferguson. Late 2005 arrival Rod Gardner helps, but not much. The only newcomer of note is Marc Boerigter, who once looked to be a promising impact player in Kansas City. But if the wideout-hungry Chiefs let Boerigter walk, then that means his best days are boehind him.


The offensive line is generally a mess, thanks to bad deals done by former G.M. Mike Sherman and lackluster efforts by current G.M. Ted Thompson to keep the guys who can play around. The Pack managed to keep Kevin Barry, but made no effort at all to lure big-names like LeCharles Bentley and Steve Hutchinson. Though Thompson justified his offseason tightfistedness by explaining that he's not going to spend on guys with name recognition just for the sake of spending on guys with name recognition, he needs to remember that the new CBA will push the cap floor to $95 million in 2007 -- so either the money gets spent on guys who have shown that they can play elsewhere, or it gets spent on guys who have yet to get it done in Green Bay.


On the other side of the ball, the Packers initially avoided making a strong financial investment, getting safety Marquand Manuel (or is it Manuel Marquand?) for $2 million to sign. They also dropped $5 million up front for defensive tackle Ryan Pickett, who showed his appreciation by skipping out on the team's voluntary offseason workouts.


The Pack kept defensive end Aaron Kampman, who snared a surprising $12 million in guaranteed money.


Then, after Lord Favre publicly lobbied for a Reggie White-style acquisition nearly a month after the big free agency money stopped flowing, the Pack made a run at linebacker LaVar Arrington. But assuming that the all-hype, low-pay deal he signed with the Giants was better than the offer the Packers made, the guys in Green Bay really didn't try to hard to get him.


Instead, they took a crowbar to the safe for overrated cover man Charles Woodson, who showed his appreciation by skipping out on the team's voluntary offseason workouts.


Meanwhile, cornerback Al Harris stayed away from voluntary offseason drills as well because he doesn't like the contract to which he signed his name a couple of years ago.


The draft brought in 12 new players, with No. 5 overall selection linebacker A.J. Hawk the most likely to make an impact in 2006. If the rest of the defense plays well enough to let him.


Indeed, the biggest question mark on defense is whether the interior of the line can stuff the run and/or bottle up enough blockers so that Hawk and/or middle linebacker Nick Barnett can get to the ball. The other serious issue is whether Harris and Woodson can play catch up after missing so much of the offseason routine.


On offense, the questions are pretty much everywhere. Can the line keep Lord Favre alive? Can the running backs loosen up the defense to allow Lord Favre to find receivers? Can the receivers get open and, if so, hold the ball? And can Lord Favre learn a new system or will he revert to the chuck-and-duck ways that got him within shooting distance of the all-time interception record?


If McCarthy can bring the team together and if they can hit the bye week at 3-2 or better, they've got a chance to let Lord Favre ride off into the sunset by winning the division.


It's not quite the way John Elway left, but it's a lot better than anyone would expect starting into the season.


Now for the fantasy grades:


Quarterback: Sorry, but we wouldn't touch Lord Favre with a ten-foot tractor. D-.


Running back: Ahman Green has been a stud in the past, but with a quad that got separated from the bone and no clear answer as to when he'll be healthy, we can't give him more than a C- for now. On draft day, it might be a good idea to take a flyer on Dookie, since he might end up getting the bulk of the touches.


Wide receiver: Donald Driver has had a couple of good years, and he held his own last year without Walker, who tore his ACL in the first game of the season. Driver scored only five touchdowns, but was eighth in the league in both receptions and receiving yards. We'll give him a B+ for now, but if the wheels come off early for the team, his production surely will drop. Robert Ferguson has largely been a disappointment for the Packers. He gets a C-. If Gardner or Boerigter manage to win the starting job across from Driver before the draft, give either one a C.


Tight End: Bubba Franks has the name recognition, but he's caught 50 or more balls only once, and he never has had double-digit touchdowns. Find a third receiver if you can.


Defense: Pick the Packers defense only if the other ones left are the Saints, Cardinals, Raiders, and Bills.


Kicker: The Packers let Ryan Longwell leave for Minnesota, and couldn't close the deal with Adam Vinatieri. Billy Cundiff has the job for now, but it wouldn't surprise us if someone else has the gig come September 10. Billy won't be a hero for the Pack, and he gets a D from PFT.


Again, there's a chance that the Packers could put it together. They lost plenty of close games in 2005; with a little luck, things could have been very different. Still, things just have a more tenuous feel for the Packers this time around -- and team won't begin to improve significantly until Lord Favre finally retires and the team begins life without him.

[Stealersrule]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

common I know you are not use to team bonding experiences that do not included hookers, public sex, and driving while touching yourself but seriously this is what teams with out disfunctional orders do.

You left out the shared experience of going to bars and getting arrested for something. An annual Viking/Chiefs experience

[loangod]

Originally Posted by Stealersrule

You left out the shared experience of going to bars and getting arrested for something. An annual Viking/Chiefs experience

hehehe...could be worse I suppose. We could've drafted a WR that gets arrested 13-14 times before his first training camp. Or a QB that should have training wheels on his bike.

[eoeleven]

PFT is legendary in their Brett Favre hatred and overall disdain for the Norse so grain of salt.

I think their wrap up, if you drag out the venom and the blind hate of Favre, is not too bad.

The Packers did go cheap at saftey (still beter than Roman though)

They did make a nice move for Pickett and probably over paid for Woodson. The Kampman deal for some is over paying and for others was not (the Vikings are rumored to have offered a slightly better deal so were they considering it over paying?)

What I do not get is if your going to bash the Packers why not go after the Oline? They either are ignorant or are buying into the Spitz is awesome train of thought floating through the league rumors.

Still this was a report based in hate and I do not like those, they could easily have bashed the packers with fact and it would be a lot more tangible.

I love all the under estimating Favre I really do.

[loangod]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

PFT is legendary in their Brett Favre hatred and overall disdain for the Norse so grain of salt.

I think their wrap up, if you drag out the venom and the blind hate of Favre, is not too bad.

The Packers did go cheap at saftey (still beter than Roman though)

They did make a nice move for Pickett and probably over paid for Woodson. The Kampman deal for some is over paying and for others was not (the Vikings are rumored to have offered a slightly better deal so were they considering it over paying?)

What I do not get is if your going to bash the Packers why not go after the Oline? They either are ignorant or are buying into the Spitz is awesome train of thought floating through the league rumors.

Still this was a report based in hate and I do not like those, they could easily have bashed the packers with fact and it would be a lot more tangible.

I love all the under estimating Favre I really do.

I agree...O-line is the weakest link in my view. They hardly touched on it. Also I would agree with the RB situation. Another very suspect area. The rest....just their typical rips. You're right, they do hate Favre and the North in general, but usually entertaining reading.

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by loangod

I agree...O-line is the weakest link in my view. They hardly touched on it. Also I would agree with the RB situation. Another very suspect area. The rest....just their typical rips. You're right, they do hate Favre and the North in general, but usually entertaining reading.

some times it is funny but other times it comes across as well this is a big tree and they miss the huge forrest behind it.

the Rb position is a question because Green, Davenport, and Gado all have an IF behind them. Green is awesome IF he is healthy. Davenport can take over and control games IF he can stay on the field. Gado is a very shifty back and can make things happen IF he can master the offense and make it past the initial scrum.

[Stealersrule]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

PFT is legendary in their Brett Favre hatred and overall disdain for the Norse so grain of salt.

I think their wrap up, if you drag out the venom and the blind hate of Favre, is not too bad.

The Packers did go cheap at saftey (still beter than Roman though)

They did make a nice move for Pickett and probably over paid for Woodson. The Kampman deal for some is over paying and for others was not (the Vikings are rumored to have offered a slightly better deal so were they considering it over paying?)

What I do not get is if your going to bash the Packers why not go after the Oline? They either are ignorant or are buying into the Spitz is awesome train of thought floating through the league rumors.

Still this was a report based in hate and I do not like those, they could easily have bashed the packers with fact and it would be a lot more tangible.

I love all the under estimating Favre I really do.

i seem to remember the Texans getting bashed last year for failing to improve their O Line. You can see what happened to them

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by Stealersrule

i seem to remember the Texans getting bashed last year for failing to improve their O Line. You can see what happened to them

oh the Packers tried to improve their line, I am just worried about how long it takes 2 rookie starters and a 3rd year starting center Scott Wells.

it does seem though that Scott Wells was built to play in the zone blocking scheme.

I also am taking some solace in how well Atlanta has done runnign the football with that scheme despite some scrubs on the oline.

[Dolfanruss]

Does he want to much money? Give him some of Farve's money. Every time Farve throws an interseption give the Hawk another 10,000