Presidential Race 08 Election 2008

[eoeleven]

HUGE curve ball was thrown to the political spectrum as Flordia moves it primary up to January 29, 2008.

Florida is of course one of the 3 biggest states in the electorial college and the only one of those 3 considered annually up for grabs.

Florida is also the most expensive state to campaign in

Florida will now be behind only Iowa, Nevada, and New Hampshire and be the same day as South Carolina (blowing SCs impact out of the water)

Effectively this will end the campaigns of fringe canidates because they simply will be unable to compete fiscally.

This will be fought or penalized by both parties though...

Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Stacie Paxton said the state would lose 50 percent of its delegates and all its superdelegates — typically members of Congress. Any candidate who campaigns in Florida for a primary earlier than Feb. 5 will be ineligible for receiving any of the state's delegates, Paxton said.

Republican National Committee has warned it will strip 50 percent of Florida's delegates if the state's primary is moved.
The RNC vow to enforce the rules places its general chairman — Florida Sen. Mel Martinez — in an awkward position. Speaking to RNC state chairmen in South Carolina on Friday, Martinez promised his home state will face sanctions.
"The rules are inflexible and it doesn't matter who is running the RNC, those rules will be enforced because they are part of the rules that were crafted at the last convention and they can't be changed," Martinez said.


If this stays in place and the parties do strip delagates it could have HUGE impact on the Presidential Races.

[clarke]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

HUGE curve ball was thrown to the political spectrum as Flordia moves it primary up to January 29, 2008.

Florida is of course one of the 3 biggest states in the electorial college and the only one of those 3 considered annually up for grabs.

Florida is also the most expensive state to campaign in

Florida will now be behind only Iowa, Nevada, and New Hampshire and be the same day as South Carolina (blowing SCs impact out of the water)

Effectively this will end the campaigns of fringe canidates because they simply will be unable to compete fiscally.

This will be fought or penalized by both parties though...

Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Stacie Paxton said the state would lose 50 percent of its delegates and all its superdelegates — typically members of Congress. Any candidate who campaigns in Florida for a primary earlier than Feb. 5 will be ineligible for receiving any of the state's delegates, Paxton said.

Republican National Committee has warned it will strip 50 percent of Florida's delegates if the state's primary is moved.
The RNC vow to enforce the rules places its general chairman — Florida Sen. Mel Martinez — in an awkward position. Speaking to RNC state chairmen in South Carolina on Friday, Martinez promised his home state will face sanctions.
"The rules are inflexible and it doesn't matter who is running the RNC, those rules will be enforced because they are part of the rules that were crafted at the last convention and they can't be changed," Martinez said.


If this stays in place and the parties do strip delagates it could have HUGE impact on the Presidential Races.

What does it mean to lose delegates.....I am totally ignorant in this process, so I would appreciate a little education here if you can offer it EO. Why does the DNC or the RNC have a right to tell a state when they can have their primary?

[GBGuy20]

i agree with clarke

learn_me

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by clarke

What does it mean to lose delegates.....I am totally ignorant in this process, so I would appreciate a little education here if you can offer it EO. Why does the DNC or the RNC have a right to tell a state when they can have their primary?

real short version

a primary election for President basically is the state saying this guy gets our delegates

in the national convention the canidate with the most delegates wins the nomination for run for President on that parties ticket

as such the primaries are a function of the DNC or RNC and that is why they can dictate schedules

[clarke]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

real short version

a primary election for President basically is the state saying this guy gets our delegates

in the national convention the canidate with the most delegates wins the nomination for run for President on that parties ticket

as such the primaries are a function of the DNC or RNC and that is why they can dictate schedules

But how can they strip them of their delegates? Aren't the delegate numbers equal to the congressional numbers? Or is that just the electoral college? By stripping them of the delegates, does that limit the amount of votes that a candidate gets from that state, thus really taking away the importance of the vote to the populace of that particular state? If I am understanding you correctly, and I really don't think I am, that seems unconstitutional.

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by clarke

But how can they strip them of their delegates? Aren't the delegate numbers equal to the congressional numbers? Or is that just the electoral college? By stripping them of the delegates, does that limit the amount of votes that a candidate gets from that state, thus really taking away the importance of the vote to the populace of that particular state? If I am understanding you correctly, and I really don't think I am, that seems unconstitutional.

you are bleeding in the electorial congress a bit

the primaries are not government regulated just party regulated

it is very possible for multiple canidates to get an amount of delegates from a state

then when a canidate is out they can agree to endorse another canidate thus giving them their delegates.

this is why you SO often see a deal brokered on convention night bringing two would be enemies togther.

take 2004

California Kerry had 300 something but Edwards carried almost 90

Georgia Kerry had 10 more than Edwards

in some states Dean finished 1st or 2nd

so a deal had to be cut to get one guy nominated hence the Kerry Edwards ticket despite the fact the men HATED each other.

shutting out Florida or half of Florida would probably be a HUGE blow to Hillary and a big UPSWING to a Bill Richards on the final talley of delgates.

I am not sure Florida has as big an impact on the GoP

the biggest thing is the State itself would have NO quid pro quo to the eventual winner (cannot say "hey we won you the nomination biatch")

[clarke]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

you are bleeding in the electorial congress a bit

the primaries are not government regulated just party regulated

it is very possible for multiple canidates to get an amount of delegates from a state

then when a canidate is out they can agree to endorse another canidate thus giving them their delegates.

this is why you SO often see a deal brokered on convention night bringing two would be enemies togther.

take 2004

California Kerry had 300 something but Edwards carried almost 90

Georgia Kerry had 10 more than Edwards

in some states Dean finished 1st or 2nd

so a deal had to be cut to get one guy nominated hence the Kerry Edwards ticket despite the fact the men HATED each other.

shutting out Florida or half of Florida would probably be a HUGE blow to Hillary and a big UPSWING to a Bill Richards on the final talley of delgates.

I am not sure Florida has as big an impact on the GoP

the biggest thing is the State itself would have NO quid pro quo to the eventual winner (cannot say "hey we won you the nomination biatch")

But again, doesn't that lessen the impact of each vote? How does the amount of delegates that a state has get decided. I mean, isn't the amount of delegates a state has based upon the amount of people in a state? And if so, then by reducing the amount of delegates a state has, wouldn't it be like reducing the importance of each vote? Equal representation does not carry anything in the primaries?

Sorry if my questions seem ignorant, but until I read your original thread I never gave the primaries much thought.

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by clarke

But again, doesn't that lessen the impact of each vote? How does the amount of delegates that a state has get decided. I mean, isn't the amount of delegates a state has based upon the amount of people in a state? And if so, then by reducing the amount of delegates a state has, wouldn't it be like reducing the importance of each vote? Equal representation does not carry anything in the primaries?

Sorry if my questions seem ignorant, but until I read your original thread I never gave the primaries much thought.

in effect it makes the primary meaningless and yes that would by default lessen the value of each vote

a scenario both parties at least seem willing to risk

[clarke]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

in effect it makes the primary meaningless and yes that would by default lessen the value of each vote

a scenario both parties at least seem willing to risk

So, in effect, during the Primary, the RNC and the DNC can basically handpick whomever they want, tell the voters to go bugger themselves, and we will gripe a little, but eventually say, okay, and then vote from their 2 handpicked appointees. Doesn't seem very, uhm, democratic, does it? Sort of like a limited monarchy. We will let you pick from our royal family.

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by clarke

So, in effect, during the Primary, the RNC and the DNC can basically handpick whomever they want, tell the voters to go bugger themselves, and we will gripe a little, but eventually say, okay, and then vote from their 2 handpicked appointees. Doesn't seem very, uhm, democratic, does it? Sort of like a limited monarchy. We will let you pick from our royal family.

a very pessimistic look but yes something like that

legally the primaries are a party only thing and in no way manditory to elect a President.

it is a streamlining

I think 100 times out of a 100 though if a party throws out a threat it is adhered to.

Be funny to see how the GoP Congressman from Florida that is head of the RNC primaries committee handles being torn between the two