Presidential Race 08 Election 2008

[cowboys_junkie]

The main stream network media would be ABC, NBC, and CBS. These three stations, because they aren't cable networks have the most reach. On a great night Foxnews will pull 2mil viewers. Six to Eight mil would be a good night for ABC or NBC.

[cowboys_junkie]

To follow up, Foxnews like MSNBC would be considered niche' news services. CNN is kind of a hybrid, but because of the fact they are on cable they are not considered main stream media even though they tend to reflect the same unadmitted liberal bias.

[rich_one]

got it.

okay... so, in my opinion, CNN seems to lean a bit liberally, while FOX seems to lean conservatively. CNN has fact check things all throughout. also, there are several other fact check places. it seems these "facts" tend to be based on the lean of the site. but I have not seen such a "fact check" thing on Fox News online. do they have one that I am missing? I am curious how their "fact checks" stand up to others. thanks for the info.

[cowboys_junkie]

Originally Posted by rich_one

got it.

okay... so, in my opinion, CNN seems to lean a bit liberally, while FOX seems to lean conservatively. CNN has fact check things all throughout. also, there are several other fact check places. it seems these "facts" tend to be based on the lean of the site. but I have not seen such a "fact check" thing on Fox News online. do they have one that I am missing? I am curious how their "fact checks" stand up to others. thanks for the info.

Fox has both liberal and conservative commentators on almost every show.

I've never seen a show on Fox where they have a panel of commentators exclusively from one side of the aisle as I have on CNN and MSNBC.

On Fox you know if the person is liberal or conservative because they state the fact.

On CNN and MSNBC they actually want you to think they are independent while they sit their and fawn over Obama.

Personally I really like Lou Dobbs from CNN. He's as much of straight shooter as there is.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by cowboys_junkie

Fox has both liberal and conservative commentators on almost every show.

I've never seen a show on Fox where they have a panel of commentators exclusively from one side of the aisle as I have on CNN and MSNBC.

On Fox you know if the person is liberal or conservative because they state the fact.

On CNN and MSNBC they actually want you to think they are independent while they sit their and fawn over Obama.

Personally I really like Lou Dobbs from CNN. He's as much of straight shooter as there is.

I am a big fan of Lou Dobbs myself. I catch his show often after I get home from work. I agree... guy seems like a straight shooter, and I thought he was completely on point over the bailout crap.

I have seen a lot of conservatives on CNN, as far as political analysts go. I cannot say the same for actual reporters, per se. I like Roland Martin. He voted for Bush twice (much to my chagrin... lol...) because he felt he was best to lead the country, and he supports Obama right now. but what I like most about him is he doesn't vote straight ticket, goes with who he thinks is the best guy, and it is what it is. Those are the main two I like to watch on CNN.

[cowboys_junkie]

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
'Since you are all such good customers', he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20'. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $20,' declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, 'but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia

[rich_one]

it was a hoax. the whole thing was a hoax, and the lying bitch is in jail on a $50,000 bond that she cannot pay, so she remains in jail.

this is one of the most unbelievable attempts to stir up racial tensions to affect the election I have ever seen. I am embarrassed that bitch can call herself an American. this is 1000% worse than the asshole who decided to dress a monkey up in an Obama head dress and take it to a rally.

I know it is only a few... but dang... I am beginning to wonder if this country is really ready.

what a shame.

[clarke]

Originally Posted by cowboys_junkie

The Secret Service was unable to find ONE witness who heard the "Kill Him" line. This lady has a B carved into her face.

Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded | Wilkes-Barre breaking news | timesleader.com - The Times Leader

I had not seen the picture before....has to be fake....the frickin B is backwards....like she did it to her while looking in the mirror.....white people are so stupid.

But the anger I had about this Rich is simple...in 2004 there were over 50 attacks against Republican campaign offices, of which there was barely a blip on the news....but 1, JUST 1 Democrat campaign office was vandalized/attacked, and it was the lead news story on the 6 o'clock news...and it looked like it was happening again....of course, this may have been good here because I think it was fake.

[clarke]

Originally Posted by rich_one

josh... I agree with the media thing. that is not what was being said that I was referring to, though, if you read my posts. I was responding to the suggestion that this attack means vote McCain... that's all.

the reason why I ridicule Palin is because unacceptable chants were being made at her rally, while she spoke. that is different. if this attack was turned around, neither McCain or Palin would owe anyone any explanation because some psycho attacked an innocent person. I am just saying that what McCain did at his rally, imo, was the right thing to do... to stop folks from inciting accusations that were not tied to the issues. I respected what McCain did in that situation, and did not like Palin's non-reaction in that situation.

to me, these are two entirely different kinds of incidents.

I know no one here agrees, so that is fine. I am only saying this in response to the suggestion that this attack should dictate who people should vote for... that was my only point. was not my inent to ruffle any feathers by it.

Rich....Secret Service listened to the tapes and said that nobody yelled kill him.....the only person that heard it was the writer of the story....the story about the "kill him" yelling at the rally was just as fake as the B on that bitch.....but when they reported that it was page 23 of the newspaper.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by clarke

Rich....Secret Service listened to the tapes and said that nobody yelled kill him.....the only person that heard it was the writer of the story....the story about the "kill him" yelling at the rally was just as fake as the B on that bitch.....but when they reported that it was page 23 of the newspaper.

I said, in an earlier post, that I was not referring to the "kill him" chants. I understand what the secret service said. I also said I saw a clip where they were yelling things such as treason, and such. I tried to find the clip, but I couldn't. I just know that to me, it seems that McCain and Palin are not even on the same page sometimes. McCain has gone out of his way, imo, to not let this campaign become about things like Obama being an "arab" or a communist or some kind of dangerous person, per se, as a President. he has condemned that approach on more than one occasion, and I commend him for that. to my knowledge, Palin did condemn it, finally, sometime within the last week when asked directly in an interview. I commend her for that as well. prior, it seemed to me she was fine with letting that stuff fester, for the good of the campaign. that is just how I see it.

either way, please stop bringing up the "kill him" chants, because I think you are the 2nd or maybe 3rd person who pointed to that in this particular exchange (I do not feel like going back to check), and I have said multiple times I am not referring to the specific "kill him" chant. I do not know how many times I am supposed to say that is not what I am referring to. you want to attack something I am talking about, then attack the fact I cannot find the video supporting my claim even a little bit, because for whatever reason, I cannot find the stupid thing, even though I know I watched it a few weeks ago. long story short, I do not like Sarah Palin. and for every reason I can say why I do not, you guys will have a counter-argument, and I really do not see the point in spinning wheels on this, since it will not change my mind, and it will not change yours either. she has done things a President would have to do, but on a state level, and I understand that, and you guys are fine with that, and I am not. that is really all there is to it, at the end of the day. at no point have I ever pretended I can win an argument with any of you here regarding this stuff, and I am certainly not about to start pretending I can now. I am just going with the way I feel about this whole thing and that is it for me, really.

I agree with you guys about the media portrayal in all of this though.