Presidential Race 08 Election 2008

[clarke]

Not trying to insult you Rich, and sorry if I did. But my gripe is you said you doubt the Ayers ties, and the terrorist ties, and the allegations of hating white people, and America, etc., because it only comes from Fox News, yet you won't address the fact that the left leaning news agencies, CBS, MSNBC, Time Magazine, NY Times, etc., won't even address these issues long enough to deny them, when they have been his defendent for so long now. Doesn't that say something to you? They have been trying to sell him to you, and they won't even deny the negative stuff. They ignore it. Could it be because some of it is true, and to talk about it would just fan the flames? I mean, if it were not true, then wouldn't they prove it? I believe most Americans, liberal or conservative, only want the truth. If they KNOW that a guy is a bad guy, they will not support him. And the press knows this and do not want to upset the apple cart. They know that when the American voters found out how they were lying to help Kerry last time, that a surge of voters turned back to Bush to ensure he was re-elected. So if they don't address it they cannot be accused of lying.

So you will condemn Fox, but you won't acknowledge the sins of the others. And that is what is ridiculous Rich. Not you. If you want to take it that way, I am sorry. I respect your right to your opinion, and mostly your opinion. But I think your thinking is flawed in that you are dismissing a whole lot of other information out there because it does not fit in with what you want to believe.

[cowboys_junkie]

Obama will be treated with kid gloves the same way Clinton was when he was in office. The daily news will go from stark stories of the demise of America and it's disreputable reputation around the world, to bright sun shiny days simply because a liberal will be President and they will not want to tarnish his legacy. Clinton had to try really hard to come out of the office as sullied as he did.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by clarke

Not trying to insult you Rich, and sorry if I did. But my gripe is you said you doubt the Ayers ties, and the terrorist ties, and the allegations of hating white people, and America, etc., because it only comes from Fox News, yet you won't address the fact that the left leaning news agencies, CBS, MSNBC, Time Magazine, NY Times, etc., won't even address these issues long enough to deny them, when they have been his defendent for so long now. Doesn't that say something to you? They have been trying to sell him to you, and they won't even deny the negative stuff. They ignore it. Could it be because some of it is true, and to talk about it would just fan the flames? I mean, if it were not true, then wouldn't they prove it? I believe most Americans, liberal or conservative, only want the truth. If they KNOW that a guy is a bad guy, they will not support him. And the press knows this and do not want to upset the apple cart. They know that when the American voters found out how they were lying to help Kerry last time, that a surge of voters turned back to Bush to ensure he was re-elected. So if they don't address it they cannot be accused of lying.

So you will condemn Fox, but you won't acknowledge the sins of the others. And that is what is ridiculous Rich. Not you. If you want to take it that way, I am sorry. I respect your right to your opinion, and mostly your opinion. But I think your thinking is flawed in that you are dismissing a whole lot of other information out there because it does not fit in with what you want to believe.

no offense, clarke... but I honestly do not think you have paid attention to much of what I have said. I have tried to explain to you in many ways, that I am not condemning Fox. I have tried to explain to you that I do not fully trust ANY one news source... I don't care if it is CNN or Fox. I have tried to tell you that the one issue above we were discussing at one point, I was not even aware that the story came from Fox. and despite me saying these things multiple times, you still are somehow coming away with me saying that I doubt the story, simply because it came from Fox... I said nothing of the sort. if I made any such remark, can you please find it and post it? because I am pretty sure I did not, unless maybe I did some kind of strange typo.

I also did not say that I doubt the Ayers ties... I was simply questioning the extent of what is being reported. I was simply questioning that, if all of this inapropriateness was going on, I was maybe hoping for some reliable data to back it up... not just a news report. I am not saying not just a Fox news report... my sentiment on that would be irregardless of the reporting entity. because I do not distrust Fox any more than I distrust CNN or whatever. I don't even watch MSNBC... I don't read Time Magazine... I don't read the Washington Post, believe it or not... and I have never read the NY Times, unless maybe some story I was reading maybe originated from that.

now, let me say this... I truly felt you were not trying to call me ridiculous. but at the same time, I do believe that you get a bit more fired up on politics than I do. and I admit freely, that I may be WAY wrong about anything... I am new to this, in as much as paying as much attention to it as I have in recent months, largely because of you folks. but I still recognize when I may not be getting my point across as intelligently as is sounds to me in my head, and when it is time to let it drop, so as to not provoke any hard feelings... because politics can do that, especially when folks are passionate about it. so me stepping back was simply to cool things off, and not continue to come off as provoking anything. I defnitely have no issue with anything you have expressed, other than maybe what I agree or disagree with, but that is it for me. to me, we are all still fellow Americans, trying to do what we THINK is right for our families, even if we disagree with each other on how that gets done.

I know in my short history of knowing you, I am sure I come off as not liking the Republican party... but that is not true. I am a registerted Independent... I don't "like" either party. and sometimes I like a Democrat. sometimes I like a Republican. most times, I just vote for the person that feels like the lesser evil. I liked Republican Maryland Governer Bob Erhlich. I liked Republican Virginia Governer Jim Gilmore (I lived there when he was governer, and voted for him).

But I do not like George Bush. I actually DO like McCain... but I simply cannot stand Sarah Palin. and I do not share the same fears as others do regarding Obama, in as much as the terrorist stuff and all of that.

I am not saying that makes me smart in any way. if he ends up doing terrible things... I will have to be held accountable for submitting a vote for him.

All said... none of this stuff affects my opinion of anyone here, and I hope that goes both ways.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by cowboys_junkie

Obama will be treated with kid gloves the same way Clinton was when he was in office. The daily news will go from stark stories of the demise of America and it's disreputable reputation around the world, to bright sun shiny days simply because a liberal will be President and they will not want to tarnish his legacy. Clinton had to try really hard to come out of the office as sullied as he did.

if he screws up, he deserves to be called out on it. if not, it would be a real shame and embarrassment.

[cowboys_junkie]

Originally Posted by rich_one

... I am not sure I see exactly how Obama is an elitist though.

I guess it's all in how you define it. Do you really think if Obama wasn't running for President he'd invite you over for dinner?

To me anyone who thinks they know better, than I do, how to spend my money, it makes them an elitist.

[Stealersrule]

Originally Posted by cowboys_junkie

I guess it's all in how you define it. Do you really think if Obama wasn't running for President he'd invite you over for dinner?

To me anyone who thinks they know better, than I do, how to spend my money, it makes them an elitist.

I am happy that all we have to do to solve our energy crisis is tune up our vehicles and make sure the tire pressures are set correctly. I so enjoy being dependant on foriegn oil, and the need to maintain a military pressence overseas because of it. Luckily we have terrorists to blame for our need to be in the middle east, or is that far east or middle west?

Sometime when we have nothing better to do, maybe we could sink a few pirate ships off the southeast coast of Africa.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by cowboys_junkie

I guess it's all in how you define it. Do you really think if Obama wasn't running for President he'd invite you over for dinner?

To me anyone who thinks they know better, than I do, how to spend my money, it makes them an elitist.

no, I don't. but then, I don't think McCain, Bush, Chaney, Biden, Clinton, Gore, etc. would invite me over for dinner either. you think they might invite you?

apparently all of the members of Congress that voted for the bailout plan are elitest then... so point taken.

[Stealersrule]

Originally Posted by cowboys_junkie

To me anyone who thinks they know better, than I do, how to spend my money, it makes them an elitist.

Send it to me and I'll see what I can do

[eoeleven]

Romney drops knowledge...

Romney also said the argument could be framed in an issue context, raising questions about how Obama would respond to bills sent down by Pennsylvania Ave by larger Democratic majorities in Congress.

"If they put forward a major tax incrase, is he going to veto it? If it's nationalized health care, is he going to veto that?"

In sum, Romney argued: "We need to say, 'you may not like the Bush administration, but how about the Pelosi administration?' Because they would lead [Obama] by the nose, alright, because of their experience."


Awesome questions proposed by Gov. Romney

I have another good question

WHY THE HELL ISNT JOHN MCCAIN ASKING THESE QUESTIONS

the GOP did this to itself once before, by nominating Gerald Ford over the poltically superior Ronald Reagan

I hope bouncing back and righting the ship works as well this time as it did that time.

[loangod]

I'm sorry, but can anyone explain what the hell is up with this early voting? I mean to me is just reeks of potential voter fraud. What is the reason for it? Are they unable to vote with the rest of us? Are they out of town on Nov. 4th? Isn't that what an absentee ballot is for? Anyone....clarke, EO?