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well clearly, any scholarship money skimming should be investigated. isn't there laws about that though? I mean, if this is all common knowledge, screw the media... why would the actual law not look further into it?
skimming admin fees is not illegal, just reprehensable

the fact the board turned down student pay and school pay programs in favor of ACORN is not an illegal choice, just a bad one
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dude... this article is wild!

so question for you... hell with the media... if these things are what they are, why on earth is McCain not pointing these historical facts? I don't get it. this is much more concrete stuff to me, than the whole "he's an arab or terrorist, kill him" crap.

so I am saying... if this stuff has gone down like this, why are the GOP sitting on it, and not putting it out there? you just get the same ol' "Dems will raise taxes" rhetoric from them. I don't understand?
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dude... this article is wild!

so question for you... hell with the media... if these things are what they are, why on earth is McCain not pointing these historical facts? I don't get it. this is much more concrete stuff to me, than the whole "he's an arab or terrorist, kill him" crap.

so I am saying... if this stuff has gone down like this, why are the GOP sitting on it, and not putting it out there? you just get the same ol' "Dems will raise taxes" rhetoric from them. I don't understand?

I cannot answer that question

I wish to hell I could my friend.
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skimming admin fees is not illegal, just reprehensable

the fact the board turned down student pay and school pay programs in favor of ACORN is not an illegal choice, just a bad one
oh, okay... I get it.

dude... this does suck. this ACORN thing looks pretty bad.
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More ACORN Fraud Exposed: ACORN Whistleblowers


Monday, October 13, 2008 9:15 PM

By: Kenneth R. Timmerman Article Font Size


New testimony obtained by a consumer advocate group from former employees of ACORN paints a startling picture of the apparent misuse of taxpayer dollars to further the group’s left-wing political agenda.

Four former employees of ACORN and of ACORN Housing Corp. have supplied sworn affidavits to the Consumer Rights League that provide eyewitness accounts of how the two organizations have commingled funds and resources, in apparent violation of federal law.

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) bills itself as a non-partisan group, supported by tax-exempt contributions from individuals and corporations.

The ACORN Housing Corp. (AHC), an ACORN affiliate, receives more than 40 percent of its funding from government sources, ostensibly to promote affordable housing to low- and middle-income families.

But according to CRL, internal documents obtained from whistleblowers suggest that ACORN has failed to maintain the proper distinction between its tax-exempt housing work and its aggressive political activities.

“ACORN and its offshoots take in millions of dollars in government grants under the guise of ‘consumer advocacy’ to line their own pockets,” said Jim Terry, CRL’s chief public advocate.

The new testimony, from four former ACORN and AHC employees, provides “hard confirmation” that ACORN and its affiliate are in fact one in the same, Terry told Newsmax.

“Here are people who have been in the room, testifying to the criminal intent of the people involved” in shuffling ACORN resources from tax-exempt purposes to political activities, he said.

“Everything they do and say, with the exception of filing their government reports, treats this family of organizations as one cohesive unit. They operated as one organization, controlled from the top down,” Terry said.

One former employee, who was with ACORN for six years, including in a management position, testified that she has “knowledge that AHC has subsidized and believe that AHC continues to subsidize ACORN activities,” in apparent violation of the law.

“AHC subsidies to ACORN include office telephone service, fax, supplies and rental space paid for by AHC funds,” she added.

In addition, AHC management routinely treated federal grants as money that could be shared with ACORN, Terry told Newsmax.

“Between 2004 through 2006, AHC transferred $4.6 million to ACORN in grants and fees, according to their tax returns. This is inherently wrong.”

Since 40 percent of AHC funds came from government grants, that means that U.S. taxpayers were in effect paying for ACORN’s partisan political activities, he added.

AHC required employees to “solicit funds and cash from clients and real estate professionals to pay for AHC operations,” one of the whistleblowers said, detailing what amounted to a “shakedown” operation.

Another former AHC employee said he would testify in court to the fact that “AHC and ACORN have operated as one entity,” and quoted internal e-mails detailing how federal grants were shared between the organizations.

The whistleblowers also stated that:

AHC employees were instructed to hide documents from federal auditors with the Department of Housing and Urban Development.


AHC employees were instructed on “steering” loans to partner banks, including Chase (for loans in the New Orleans area) and Bank of America for other areas around the country.


AHC National Field Director Lee Trujillo stated in the presence of several of these witnesses that “AHC and ACORN would be funded out of the same account.”


AHC and ACORN have also shared “voter initiative money.”


Internal AHC e-mails and other documents “clearly show that AHC is paying for lease space occupied by ACORN.”

All of these are potential violations of the laws governing non-profit organizations.

ACORN is currently under investigation for fraudulent voter registration and related activities in at least 11 key battleground states.

Election officials in several states have said that 50 percent of ACORN voter registrations are fictitious.

Just last week, for example, ACORN’s offices in Nevada were raided by state law enforcement officials after reports that ACORN had registered the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys to vote in Las Vegas.

In Connecticut, a 7-year-old girl was found to have been registered to vote by ACORN, which changed her age to 27.

ACORN announced last week that it had just completed “the largest, most successful nonpartisan voter registration drive in U.S. history,” by helping “1.3 million low-income, minority and young voters across the country register to vote.”

The group insisted that the allegations of voter fraud are “bogus,” and “aim to camouflage voter suppression,” a term used by many groups on the left to describe alleged police roadblocks in black neighborhoods in Florida during the 2000 campaign.

Despite a two-year investigation by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission under the direction of Jesse Jackson protégé Mary Frances Berry, not a single eyewitness stepped forward who could corroborate the allegations of voter suppression or police roadblocks in Florida during that election.

ACORN has paid more than 13,000 workers to sign up new voters this election season, and admits that “there are always some people who want to get paid without really doing the job.”

In any large voter registration operation, ACORN said last week, there will always be “a small percentage of workers who turn in bogus registration forms.” But discrepancies in voter registration documents “has nothing to do with ‘voter fraud,’” the group insisted.

AHC gets U.S. government grants to provide free advice and counseling services to low and mid-income consumers on how to qualify for a mortgage.

In the advice it offers consumers, AHC warns about “predatory” lending. And yet, CRL alleges in a report issued earlier this year that AHC engages in many of the same practices it condemns.

“ACORN’s ‘financial justice’ operations attack lenders for ‘exotic’ loans, but AHC has recommended ten-year interest-only loans (which deny equity to the buyer) and reverse mortgages (which can be detrimental to senior citizens),” the report states.

AHC also has worked to obtain mortgages for undocumented workers, and has advised intake officers to counsel consumers how to use “under the table” income not reported to the Internal Revenue Service in order to increase their borrowing ability.

ACORN has devoted $50 million to Project Vote activities in the current election cycle, primarily to register minority and low-income voters.

Barack Obama ran the Chicago branch of Project Vote in 1992, and soon afterwards began teaching classes for “Future Leaders Identified by ACORN.”

In 1995, Obama represented ACORN in a lawsuit against the state of Illinois for its supposed failure to implement the new “motor voter” law, the first piece of legislation signed by Bill Clinton after he became president in 1993.

In a statement now immortalized in a YouTube video, Obama promised ACORN and other community organizations in an Iowa presidential campaign forum for Democrats in December 2007 that if elected president, he would bring them into the White House to help shape the agenda of an Obama administration.

“[b]efore I even get inaugurated, during the transition, we're going to be calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda. We're going to be having meetings all across the country with community organizations so that you have input into the agenda for the next presidency of the United States of America,” Obama pledged.

ACORN endorsed Obama on Feb. 21, 2008, at the most critical point of the tough primary battle that pitted him against Hillary Clinton. Welcoming that endorsement, Obama said, “I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues that you care about my entire career.”

But now that ACORN’s alleged voter fraud activities have become public, the Illinois senator has sought to distance himself from ACORN, just as he has from other former allies, such as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright or former wanted terrorist William Ayers.

His “fight the smears” Web site now has a statement claiming that “ACORN never hired Obama as a trainer, organizer, or any type of employee,” but acknowledged that he was hired by the organization in the 1995 lawsuit.

“Obama’s failure to disclose the true nature of his relationship with ACORN is very surprising and deeply troubling,” the John McCain campaign said in a press release last week.




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Dude... look what I tripped over... posted right up on CNN, if you all can believe that:



McCain camp challenges Obama to rein in ACORN
Posted: 01:00 PM ET

From CNN Associate Producer Martina Stewart
Former Republican senators Warren Rudman and John Danforth are the co-chairs of the McCain campaign's Honest and Open Election Committee.



(CNN) – The campaign of Sen. John McCain called on Sen. Barack Obama Tuesday to “rein in” community organizing group ACORN and “to work aggressively against wide-scale voter fraud.”
McCain campaign manager Rick Davis made the challenge in a statement released in response to an ACORN letter to the campaign Tuesday morning.
Citing the rising number foreclosures nationwide, the community advocacy group asked McCain to fight a practice known as “caging” — the challenging or removal of voter from the rolls because they no longer live at the address listed on their voter registration.
In its letter, the group asked McCain to reach out to Republican Secretaries of State in Colorado, Florida, Indiana, and West Virginia and obtain a guarantee from each of them that “a voter in their respective states who has lost their home to foreclosure does not lose their right to vote.”
In the McCain campaign’s response, Davis noted that the campaign had reached out to the Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee to propose unprecedented, bipartisan monitoring teams in precincts where either side feared voter irregularities. Former Republican senators John Danforth and Warren Rudman, the co-chairs of the McCain campaign’s Honest and Open Election Committee, renewed the proposal at an appearance at the National Press Club Tuesday morning.
Davis also used the letter as another opportunity to tie Sen. Obama to ACORN. “Given the extensive relationship between Barack Obama and ACORN, our campaign also feels that Senator Obama has the responsibility to rein in ACORN’s efforts and to work aggressively against wide-scale voter fraud.”

The response challenging Obama to control ACORN is the latest in a major effort by the McCain campaign to highlight both Obama’s ties to group and the prospect of voter fraud. Gov. Sarah Palin used recent reports about questionable voter registrations submitted by ACORN to encourage donations in an e-mail sent out Monday. Late last week, the McCain campaign released a Web video highlighting Obama’s ties to the group, and accusing the group of voter fraud and pressuring banks to give mortgages to unqualified individuals.
In his statement, Davis said the McCain campaign never received a response to its proposal for bipartisan monitoring teams. But Tuesday the Obama campaign released a letter to Danforth and Rudman September 23 in which campaign manager David Plouffe turned down the monitoring proposal, and instead detailed a number of questionable practices in that they said seemed designed to lessen or suppress participation by Democratic voters.
The Obama campaign is also set to have a conference call with reporters Tuesday afternoon to discuss a number of issues relating to voting in light of recent press reports about the millions of new voters registered in anticipation of the November election.
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just might come up in tomorrow's debate after all!
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well, I think it is a matter of perspective. I would question anyone reporting anything negative about either candidate, without having any substance behind it, other than the report itself. case-in-point, I'm not even aware that anything we have just discussed specifically came from FOX news... unless I missed something, which is possible, given as much as we have been talking about. so if it came from FOX news, I was not even privy to that... thereby, not even knowing I was "discrediting" FOX news.

I do not trust any one news source... so for me to question a story, I assure you, is most certainly not tainted to the news source only, unless it is an obvious piece o' crap like the Enquirerer and such. I don't even trust that rag when they have pictures!

anyway... hope that clears up my thoughts on FOX news. I have no beef with them specifically, or desire to discredit them specifically.

oh... and I am all for news media exploring stories and such. I promise you I have no issue with that. just, if you are going to report, make sure to have all the facts intact, and less speculation... that's all. it's news. now if you want to call it commentary, so be it. that's different.
Dude, if there are negative points about a candidate then, how do you discuss it without bringing it up? Do you question the constant attacks on Palin and McCain? No offense Rich, but that is one of the most ridiculous arguments I have heard. What are you expecting, Obama to admit it? Why? Mainstream media WON'T address it. The only people with some integrity are at Fox. Yes, they lean right, but not as blatantly obviously as MSNBC. And they have NEVER been caught lying like CBS and CNN and NY Times and Washington Post, all media outlets that are left of Richard Simmons.
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clarke, that is not the point of what I am saying. I am saying this is a presidential race. in my humble opinion, I have not seen anything either of these candidates have done, to have a crowd chanting "kill him, kill him". that is my only point. I am not saying the questionable relationships are not issues... or, at least, that is not what I was trying to say.
I agree with you about the crowd, but how is that McCain's or Palin's fault. I have not heard them egg them on.
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while I do have to do more reading on this ACORN thing, I keep seeing only stuff that indicates they were involved in scholarships. regular ol' scholarships. look, I am definitely saying if they have done sinister things, I want to know it, acknowledge it, and judge it for myself. and I know what Ayers did when he was younger. and again... I admit... I have not gotten anything about ACORN, other than what you guys have said. but I do plan on digging more up. just haven't gotten to it yet... but I definitely will. I am not trying to give anyone a free pass at being criminal or whatever. I am just saying I do not know the facts, and have not found reliable info to the facts. that's all. my respect for present company excepted.
Stop looking at mainstream media for your information. They will not offer anything that will damn Obama. ACORN to them is as inoccuous as the local PTA or the Brownies.
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