Presidential Race 08 Election 2008

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

the Nation of Islam reports their membership numbers to be in the 100K range

that is a 100,000 people who believe everything Farrakhan says comes from GOD

the US census suggest there are 6 to 8 million muslim's in America today (up from a 2 to 4 million projection just two years ago)

If a ranking member of the Islamic faith says Obama is a messiah, those millions are also listening.

I understand Obama denounced Farrakahn

I understand he even later went back and declined the endorsement

how about the guy saying out loud "I am not a messiah, if for no other reason out fo modesty"

But if Obama really really wants to distance from the Nation of Islam why is the director of constituency services a paid US Senate, Jennifer Mason, still a member of NOI.

Why was the treasurer of his Senate campaign, Cynthia K. Miller, a member of the NOI?

Why for MOST of Obama's political life was his paid photographer, Shakir Muhammed, a member of the NOI.

~ while again not any one single thing here is damning but the cumlative total is overwhelming

I say now, have said, and will say that a GoP canidate of ANY COLOR had these ties the MEDIA would gut them and throw them back.

The fact that any time any one in the media even tries to bring these points to light they are LAMBLASTED as liars, racist, and bigots is disheartening.

These things should be discussed in DETAIL in front of the world.

I cannot give any answers intelligently about these people because I do not know them.

as far as someone having to get on TV or whatever, and specifically tell the world "even though the guy that I have denounced multiple times says I am the Messiah... please know, I am not the Messiah... thank you."

c'mon dude... this is getting outta hand. if someone actually thinks a man running for President is "the Messiah", I would suggest they have bigger issues in front of them than any such statement would aleviate in the first place.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by clarke

That is what I have been arguing....if any Republican had this many allegations swirling around them the media would be printing every one of them and then find out if they were true. The fact that the media refuses to acknowledge them is incredible. They will not do this for fear of harming their annointed one.

All I am asking for is honest reporting. If these allegations are not true, prove it. Show me they are wrong. I DESERVE to know. The American voters DESERVE to know.

I have always believed that where there is smoke, there is fire. The smoke is kind of thick....too thick to ignore.

Like a murder investigation....you find the bloody clothes of the killer in a trashcan behind some dudes house, finger prints of the dude that owns that house at the crime scene (or gloves that fit that dude), motive, etc, do you really need the weapon to have some serious suspicion? Wouldn't you expect, at a minimum, an investigation of that dude?
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And he controlled Bill Ayers grant money, much of it went to ACORN.

this is what I am saying... you guys are flooding me with all of these accusations, which I am very sure you guys are well-versed with, but I am not able to find a lot of this info in concrete confirmations of this or that happened. in a way, we are saying the same thing, I guess. My only thing, I suppose, is that I thought if this kind of stuff were true, it WOULD be put out there with factual evidence... hell, by FOX or whatever. I don't care. but so far, its lots and lots of commentary. am I even saying this right? not sure...

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

McCain has promised to bring up Ayer's in the debate

all I want is pointed questions asked and legitimate VERIFIABLE answers given

he SHOULD bring it up in the debate... in fact, he should have BEEN done that. I don't understand why he has not, frankly.

[loangod]

Originally Posted by rich_one

while I do have to do more reading on this ACORN thing, I keep seeing only stuff that indicates they were involved in scholarships. regular ol' scholarships. look, I am definitely saying if they have done sinister things, I want to know it, acknowledge it, and judge it for myself. and I know what Ayers did when he was younger. and again... I admit... I have not gotten anything about ACORN, other than what you guys have said. but I do plan on digging more up. just haven't gotten to it yet... but I definitely will. I am not trying to give anyone a free pass at being criminal or whatever. I am just saying I do not know the facts, and have not found reliable info to the facts. that's all. my respect for present company excepted.

Have you read the papers or seen the news Rich? ACORN is under investigation for wide spread voter registration fraud throughout the country, heavily in swing states. The have long been known for this sort of activity.

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by rich_one

while I do have to do more reading on this ACORN thing, I keep seeing only stuff that indicates they were involved in scholarships. regular ol' scholarships. look, I am definitely saying if they have done sinister things, I want to know it, acknowledge it, and judge it for myself. and I know what Ayers did when he was younger. and again... I admit... I have not gotten anything about ACORN, other than what you guys have said. but I do plan on digging more up. just haven't gotten to it yet... but I definitely will. I am not trying to give anyone a free pass at being criminal or whatever. I am just saying I do not know the facts, and have not found reliable info to the facts. that's all. my respect for present company excepted.

ACORN members have been indicted and are currently being indicted in multiple states for voter fraud

but other than that let me give you a Chicago Sun Times Headline from 1995 about ACORN

‘You’ve got only a couple thousand bucks in the bank. Your job pays you dog-food wages. Your credit history has been bent, stapled, and mutilated. You declared bankruptcy in 1989. Don’t despair: You can still buy a house.”

This story was about ACORN taking banks to charge for not giving loans to these potental customers. ACORN took out lawsuits syaing banks ignored these people, not because they did not qualify, but because they were minorities. So banks started issuing these loans, these "SUB PRIME" loans. ACORN helped adminster these and as such got a percentage.

The problem with scholarships is how they were awarded.

Instead of giving the money to students to pay for school, or to schools on behalf of students, the money was given to ACORN to administer. Which meant ACORN got a percentage as an administration fee.

So when you think ACORN you think...

voter fraud

sub prime loan mess

scholarship skimming

Barack Obama held two different paid positions with them. He was on boards that funneled money to ACORN, and now he is using ACORN opperatives in the streets to register voters.

that deserves attention

[eoeleven]

Planting Seeds of Disaster by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online=

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by loangod

Have you read the papers or seen the news Rich? ACORN is under investigation for wide spread voter registration fraud throughout the country, heavily in swing states. The have long been known for this sort of activity.

yes... actually, I did see that. it was really strange? I do not understand attempting fruadulent voter registrations... when you get to the polls to actually vote, you still have to show ID? I do not get it???

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by rich_one

yes... actually, I did see that. it was really strange? I do not understand attempting fruadulent voter registrations... when you get to the polls to actually vote, you still have to show ID? I do not get it???

not every state requires ID

in fact the ACLU is suing the states that do suggesting it is a violation of people's rights

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

ACORN members have been indicted and are currently being indicted in multiple states for voter fraud

but other than that let me give you a Chicago Sun Times Headline from 1995 about ACORN

‘You’ve got only a couple thousand bucks in the bank. Your job pays you dog-food wages. Your credit history has been bent, stapled, and mutilated. You declared bankruptcy in 1989. Don’t despair: You can still buy a house.”

This story was about ACORN taking banks to charge for not giving loans to these potental customers. ACORN took out lawsuits syaing banks ignored these people, not because they did not qualify, but because they were minorities. So banks started issuing these loans, these "SUB PRIME" loans. ACORN helped adminster these and as such got a percentage.

The problem with scholarships is how they were awarded.

Instead of giving the money to students to pay for school, or to schools on behalf of students, the money was given to ACORN to administer. Which meant ACORN got a percentage as an administration fee.

So when you think ACORN you think...

voter fraud

sub prime loan mess

scholarship skimming

Barack Obama held two different paid positions with them. He was on boards that funneled money to ACORN, and now he is using ACORN opperatives in the streets to register voters.

that deserves attention

well clearly, any scholarship money skimming should be investigated. isn't there laws about that though? I mean, if this is all common knowledge, screw the media... why would the actual law not look further into it?

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

not every state requires ID

in fact the ACLU is suing the states that do suggesting it is a violation of people's rights

okay, that is just retarded.

sorry, I know that is not politically correct... but that is ass backwards. I show ID when I go vote... everyone should, dammit!