Presidential Race 08 Election 2008

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by clarke

Asking the same thing last week....ACORN is where most of the money Bill Ayers was granted and Obama distributeed went to.

Obama was a paid communtiy organizer for ACORN

later he was a paid attorney for ACORN

[clarke]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

the Nation of Islam reports their membership numbers to be in the 100K range

that is a 100,000 people who believe everything Farrakhan says comes from GOD

the US census suggest there are 6 to 8 million muslim's in America today (up from a 2 to 4 million projection just two years ago)

If a ranking member of the Islamic faith says Obama is a messiah, those millions are also listening.

I understand Obama denounced Farrakahn

I understand he even later went back and declined the endorsement

how about the guy saying out loud "I am not a messiah, if for no other reason out fo modesty"

But if Obama really really wants to distance from the Nation of Islam why is the director of constituency services a paid US Senate, Jennifer Mason, still a member of NOI.

Why was the treasurer of his Senate campaign, Cynthia K. Miller, a member of the NOI?

Why for MOST of Obama's political life was his paid photographer, Shakir Muhammed, a member of the NOI.

~ while again not any one single thing here is damning but the cumlative total is overwhelming

I say now, have said, and will say that a GoP canidate of ANY COLOR had these ties the MEDIA would gut them and throw them back.

The fact that any time any one in the media even tries to bring these points to light they are LAMBLASTED as liars, racist, and bigots is disheartening.

These things should be discussed in DETAIL in front of the world.

That is what I have been arguing....if any Republican had this many allegations swirling around them the media would be printing every one of them and then find out if they were true. The fact that the media refuses to acknowledge them is incredible. They will not do this for fear of harming their annointed one.

All I am asking for is honest reporting. If these allegations are not true, prove it. Show me they are wrong. I DESERVE to know. The American voters DESERVE to know.

I have always believed that where there is smoke, there is fire. The smoke is kind of thick....too thick to ignore.

Like a murder investigation....you find the bloody clothes of the killer in a trashcan behind some dudes house, finger prints of the dude that owns that house at the crime scene (or gloves that fit that dude), motive, etc, do you really need the weapon to have some serious suspicion? Wouldn't you expect, at a minimum, an investigation of that dude?
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Originally Posted by eoeleven

Obama was a paid communtiy organizer for ACORN

later he was a paid attorney for ACORN

And he controlled Bill Ayers grant money, much of it went to ACORN.

[eoeleven]

McCain has promised to bring up Ayer's in the debate

all I want is pointed questions asked and legitimate VERIFIABLE answers given

[loangod]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

McCain has promised to bring up Ayer's in the debate

all I want is pointed questions asked and legitimate VERIFIABLE answers given

And hopefully the ACORN connection is a hot topic.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by clarke

But you do discredit them for reporting the anti-Obama news as saying its uncorraborated (my word) and negative....and you never ask why one side is reporting it and the other is IGNORING IT. Ignoring it is NOT the same thing as disputing it. They are trying to stay away from lying. They know if its made an issue he will PROBABLY lose, because the American voters may, probably will, wake up and realize they have been swindled by the media.

well, I think it is a matter of perspective. I would question anyone reporting anything negative about either candidate, without having any substance behind it, other than the report itself. case-in-point, I'm not even aware that anything we have just discussed specifically came from FOX news... unless I missed something, which is possible, given as much as we have been talking about. so if it came from FOX news, I was not even privy to that... thereby, not even knowing I was "discrediting" FOX news.

I do not trust any one news source... so for me to question a story, I assure you, is most certainly not tainted to the news source only, unless it is an obvious piece o' crap like the Enquirerer and such. I don't even trust that rag when they have pictures!

anyway... hope that clears up my thoughts on FOX news. I have no beef with them specifically, or desire to discredit them specifically.

oh... and I am all for news media exploring stories and such. I promise you I have no issue with that. just, if you are going to report, make sure to have all the facts intact, and less speculation... that's all. it's news. now if you want to call it commentary, so be it. that's different.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by clarke

Rich, if he is palling around with terrorists, it IS an issue. If he has shady people in his inner circle, it IS an issue. If he is a member of a "hate whitey" church, it IS an issue.

If McCain attended a church for over 20 years that was led by a member of the KKK he would be run out of the Senate and the GoP would ask him to rescind the nomination for PoTUS.

These ARE issues Rich that the press refuses to vett. Its criminal what they are doing.

clarke, that is not the point of what I am saying. I am saying this is a presidential race. in my humble opinion, I have not seen anything either of these candidates have done, to have a crowd chanting "kill him, kill him". that is my only point. I am not saying the questionable relationships are not issues... or, at least, that is not what I was trying to say.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by loangod

ACORN=Obama....why is this not being discussed by the mainstream media?

as I have said, there is much I do not know about the dynamics of this. I have not had time to delve into it just yet, but I will... guarantee you. clearly, there are plenty of depths to all of this that you guys are knee deep into, that I am likely, admittedly, ignorant to. however, I will still have to make these connections and conclusions on my own merit... of course, with you guys continued guidance on pointing these things out, which I completely and openly solicit. it is not as if it has not been a big help in my growth, at least, in my own opinion.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by clarke

If people did not he would not be a public figure. The fact that he is, and that he has a following, tells me a large number of people do hold credence to what he says.

so David Duke then, can also influence the Presidential election by anointing McCain you think?

obviously he has a following... my main point being, who in their right mind cares? McCain can do nothing about Duke making blasphemous, over the top, comments "in support" of him, no mare than Obama could with Farakhan. the whole problem with this election is, a black man has a chance to win, so all of these black "leaders"... and man, do I EVER use that term loosely here... will latch onto to "the cause" of getting him elected... whether he invites that effort by that individual or this individual or not. quite frankly, given how many false leaders there are vying for air time in the black community, Obama would be killing his own campaign if he stopped to take the time out to denounce every single thing everyone of them says that is stupid in the first place.

I think we ignore that asshole, and just let folks get back to the issues.

but again... that is just me. that is all I really, really, care about. who... to me... in my microcosm of a world... sounds like they are for me better. I am really trying not to submerge myself into all of the peripheral stuff, because much of it has been based on a lot of confusing aspects, and it is very tough for me to fully trust everything I have been reading. I am very sorry if you guys do not understand that, and I wish I had a better way of trying to express it.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by clarke

Real impartial, isn't it?

do we know if McCain has the money to do that or is interested? I am just asking because I do not know. I have not read anywhere of him even attempting to do it. if he has, and is being rebuffed, this is clearly wrong.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by clarke

Asking the same thing last week....ACORN is where most of the money Bill Ayers was granted and Obama distributeed went to.

while I do have to do more reading on this ACORN thing, I keep seeing only stuff that indicates they were involved in scholarships. regular ol' scholarships. look, I am definitely saying if they have done sinister things, I want to know it, acknowledge it, and judge it for myself. and I know what Ayers did when he was younger. and again... I admit... I have not gotten anything about ACORN, other than what you guys have said. but I do plan on digging more up. just haven't gotten to it yet... but I definitely will. I am not trying to give anyone a free pass at being criminal or whatever. I am just saying I do not know the facts, and have not found reliable info to the facts. that's all. my respect for present company excepted.