Presidential Race 08 Election 2008

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Real Clear Politics Average Obama +7.4

Oct. 14, 2008

Survey USA ~

Ohio Obama +5
Pennsylvania +15

Quinnipac

Michigan Obama +16
Colorado Obama +9
Minnesota Obama +11
Wisconsin Obama +17


Oct 13, 2008

FOX News / Rasmussen

Ohio Obama +2
Florida Obama +5
N Carolina TIE
Virginia Obama +3
Missouri Obama +3

[clarke]

Originally Posted by rich_one

in all fairness, I do not see how I discredited FOX news... I have not necessarily discredited anyone... yet... I have not exactly endorsed anyone either. to me, FOX seems as conservative leaning as most of the other outlets seem to be liberal leaning. I respect why you would maybe feel like I am discrediting FOX... but for righit now, where I am in my political... I don't know what to call it... evolution? anyway, where I am right now with that, I am just finding a tough time trusting any source to report on a neutral basis. just seems that whenever I am reading things from a liberal leaning source, it leans... well... liberally. and likewise with conservative sources. I don't mean that so much as a discredit to FOX, than a maybe more accurately, a discredit to most news sources in general, because I cannot seem to find one that... again, for my tastes... really seems to just be totally unbiased. so, I really just try my best to filter through the nonsense as much as possible. I do know I am far from perfect... but I try.

But you do discredit them for reporting the anti-Obama news as saying its uncorraborated (my word) and negative....and you never ask why one side is reporting it and the other is IGNORING IT. Ignoring it is NOT the same thing as disputing it. They are trying to stay away from lying. They know if its made an issue he will PROBABLY lose, because the American voters may, probably will, wake up and realize they have been swindled by the media.

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2008 Senate races updates

Minnesota

RCP Average Franken +2.2

Colorado

RCP Average Udall +7.0

N Carolina

RCP Average Hagen +3.4

Alaska

RCP Average Begich +3.2

New Hampshire

RCP Average Shaheen +5.9

Virginia

RCP Average Warner +28.2

New Mexico

RCP Average Udall +16.0

Kentucky

RCP Average McConnell +6.5

Mississippi

RCP Average Wicker +4.0

Oregon

RCP Average Merkley +1.5

Georgia

RCP Average Chambliss +2.6

it looks like 57 to 41 with 2 INDP

which should prevent the 60 vote fillabuster / veto buster majority

[clarke]

Originally Posted by rich_one

Yes... she was continuing her rhetoric of him palling around with terrorists. the problem I have with that, is, well... there are already sentiments among those that cannot mentally accept having a black President, surely plotting his death. now, spice it up some and call him a terrorist, and it just gives extra strength to that cause.

I jus tthink it is unnecessary.

run on the issues... let the rest take care of itself. what McCain did, imo, was honorable. the woman called him an "arab", and McCain told her that was not true. the guy said he was scared, that Obama was about to be President, and McCain made it clear, "look... Obama is an honorable man, that has done some very good things in his career, and you do not have to fear him being President."

I applaud McCain, because it would have been easy for him to use fear politics to charge that crowd up, and he refused to do it, even to the point of getting booed. and in the face of getting booed, he continued to reiterate that there needs to be a focus on the issues and policies to run this country, as opposed to the fear of Obama being a terrorist or anything like that.

Meanwhile, his handpicked VP stands on a stage, with an evil smirk on her face, as an entire crowd is yelling "kill him! kill him! off with his head!"

this is 2008, clarke... not the middle ages. I'm not asking you to like Obama... obviously, that isn't going to happen. hell, man... I know you even think he may be a terrorist or something... or at least close enough for disaster to happen. okay. you have the right to your beliefs. and I admittedly do not know you beyond this website. so hell... I could be wrong. but as much as you cannot stand Obama, I find it tough to believe you would go to that extreme, over a PotUS race.

she was exciting a riot, and taking pleasure in it. I find it horrendous.

John McCain is an honorable man, and a war hero. and I do not agree with some of his policies of late, but dammit... if only he had picked a real, qualified running mate... I could maybe see voting for him.

Sarah Palin? she is a mistake. a big one. and probably, politically, a fatal one. and that is sad. McCain deserves to go out better than this, and this bitch, imo, is doing him in. I know her presence, in many ways, is very influential in my vote. I was very middle of the road until she arrived... albeit, I was not excited by any of the candidates, I was at least able to see me maybe voting McCain. now, for me to vote for a 72 year old man with a cancerous history, whose running mate is one bad health day away from being President, and that running mate is Palin?

no way. I don't care about her being governor. I think she is as potentially dangerous to this country as you do Obama, I guess.

McCain should have just picked Romney, and I really think we would not even be having this conversation. hell, Clarke... if McCain picked Syler, we wouldn't be having this conversation... I would be that right now, he wishes he could stuff Palin back under the igloo he pulled her ass from under.

Rich, if he is palling around with terrorists, it IS an issue. If he has shady people in his inner circle, it IS an issue. If he is a member of a "hate whitey" church, it IS an issue.

If McCain attended a church for over 20 years that was led by a member of the KKK he would be run out of the Senate and the GoP would ask him to rescind the nomination for PoTUS.

These ARE issues Rich that the press refuses to vett. Its criminal what they are doing.

[loangod]

ACORN=Obama....why is this not being discussed by the mainstream media?

[clarke]

Originally Posted by rich_one

Why in the world would anyone hold any credence whatsoever to the words of Louis Farrakhan?

If people did not he would not be a public figure. The fact that he is, and that he has a following, tells me a large number of people do hold credence to what he says.

[clarke]

Originally Posted by loangod

Barack Obama’s campaign is swimming in cash.
There are serious questions, though, about the legality of some of Obama’s donors, and Newsmax is taking the lead in the investigation.
Meanwhile, a couple of television networks have decided to give a boost to Obama’s campaign by providing an extraordinary discount for the airing of a primetime infomercial.
According to Obama campaign sources, the first 30 minutes of the primo primetime CBS and NBC hours has been purchased for the ad.
The Democratic candidate’s TV spot is scheduled to air on Oct. 29, a mere six days before the election.
The date was no arbitrary pick either. Oct. 29 (aka “Black Tuesday”) is the infamous date of the 1929 stock market crash.
The amount of money the two networks are reportedly charging for the otherwise lucrative airtime is less than $1 million.
Here’s the lowdown: The Obama campaign is being charged the lowest possible rate the networks can offer without violating the law. It’s called the “lowest unit cost.”
Do you suppose CBS and NBC are going to extend the same offer to the McCain campaign?
Maybe, if McCain agrees to sit down with, and give editing rights to, Katie Couric and Keith Olbermann.

Newsmax.com

Real impartial, isn't it?

[loangod]

Originally Posted by clarke

Real impartial, isn't it?

Somehow, even though the "polls" don't indicate it, I think the liberal media is deathly afraid Obama will lose. More must be done to expose the Fraud that he is.

[clarke]

Originally Posted by loangod

ACORN=Obama....why is this not being discussed by the mainstream media?

Asking the same thing last week....ACORN is where most of the money Bill Ayers was granted and Obama distributeed went to.

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Originally Posted by clarke

If people did not he would not be a public figure. The fact that he is, and that he has a following, tells me a large number of people do hold credence to what he says.

the Nation of Islam reports their membership numbers to be in the 100K range

that is a 100,000 people who believe everything Farrakhan says comes from GOD

the US census suggest there are 6 to 8 million muslim's in America today (up from a 2 to 4 million projection just two years ago)

If a ranking member of the Islamic faith says Obama is a messiah, those millions are also listening.

I understand Obama denounced Farrakahn

I understand he even later went back and declined the endorsement

how about the guy saying out loud "I am not a messiah, if for no other reason out fo modesty"

But if Obama really really wants to distance from the Nation of Islam why is the director of constituency services a paid US Senate, Jennifer Mason, still a member of NOI.

Why was the treasurer of his Senate campaign, Cynthia K. Miller, a member of the NOI?

Why for MOST of Obama's political life was his paid photographer, Shakir Muhammed, a member of the NOI.

~ while again not any one single thing here is damning but the cumlative total is overwhelming

I say now, have said, and will say that a GoP canidate of ANY COLOR had these ties the MEDIA would gut them and throw them back.

The fact that any time any one in the media even tries to bring these points to light they are LAMBLASTED as liars, racist, and bigots is disheartening.

These things should be discussed in DETAIL in front of the world.