Presidential Race 08 Election 2008

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by cowboys_junkie

Imagine if he was one of George Bush's drinking buddies?

but the issue I am having is, to me, I have not been able to determine that they are "drinking buddies"... just that they did what seems to be good work for the community regarding education... that's all I see here.

that said, I don't like Bush anyway... an opinion not impacted by his drinking buddies!

in all seriousness though... I guess I am not seeing the whole, "this is one of my best friends" angle here, and I am just not seeing anything wrong with the work they did do during this association, which, of course, makes me not understand the whole "problem" with the assocation.

to clarify, let me put it this way...

30 years ago, a guy blows up some stuff in the Pentagon. somehow, over the years, he manages to escape prison... something I find incredible even as I am typing this... but heck... that's what happened, so I'll go with it. today, I serve on a board with this guy, that gets scholarship money to kids so they can go to college. now, I am tainted because of what he did 30 years ago, even though this is helping Americans now? or is it just that he had his first campaign kicked off at this guy's house?

I am really trying to understand it, that's all.

now... all of THAT said... I didn't read enough info on what EO posted yet... so clearly, I need to do that. these are just my thoughts, having not done that yet.

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by rich_one

BUT, that said, I guess I am missing what was inappropriate about their contact... that's all.

obviously, I am missing the bigger point that is attempting to be made, is all.

Obama serves all his pre office life arguing for softer penalites and more chances for youth in the suburbs of Chicago

He launches his state senate bid from Bill Ayers home (bad choice at the least)

that same campaign is at least partially financed by Ayer's and his friends / families money

Obama wins and all of a sudden sponsers a bill (one Ayer's had been shopping for a while to other politicans) to crack down on youth criminals basically reducing 3 strikes to 2. <yes that is a 180 turn from everything Obama has EVER said>

the thing that bothers me is Obama's constant "I do not know the guy"

there is a board that Obama was a PAID member of whose funds are 80% obtained through Ayer's and his family

Ayer's and Barack made at least TWO public appearances togther both organized by MICHELLE OBAMA. You know the people your wife is scheduling to speak with you in public.

I am not sure I believe Barack Obama is a terrorist but I think he is too close to them.

Like someone else posted, what if George Bush served as a paid board member on a board created by and supplemented by David Duke.

Now George W might not be a racist because of that, BUT it would damn sure be too close for me.

[cowboys_junkie]

Originally Posted by rich_one

but the issue I am having is, to me, I have not been able to determine that they are "drinking buddies"... just that they did what seems to be good work for the community regarding education... that's all I see here.

that said, I don't like Bush anyway... an opinion not impacted by his drinking buddies!

in all seriousness though... I guess I am not seeing the whole, "this is one of my best friends" angle here, and I am just not seeing anything wrong with the work they did do during this association, which, of course, makes me not understand the whole "problem" with the assocation.

to clarify, let me put it this way...

30 years ago, a guy blows up some stuff in the Pentagon. somehow, over the years, he manages to escape prison... something I find incredible even as I am typing this... but heck... that's what happened, so I'll go with it. today, I serve on a board with this guy, that gets scholarship money to kids so they can go to college. now, I am tainted because of what he did 30 years ago, even though this is helping Americans now? or is it just that he had his first campaign kicked off at this guy's house?

I am really trying to understand it, that's all.

now... all of THAT said... I didn't read enough info on what EO posted yet... so clearly, I need to do that. these are just my thoughts, having not done that yet.

Obama and Ayers were part of a 50 million dollar request for monies to be spent on political indoctrination of school children. The fact that they share common political views is disturbing to say the least. I'd rather they be drinking partners.

[cowboys_junkie]

Also, don't forget that Ayers laments, in interviews, not having done more domestic terrorism or having more success with it.

[eoeleven]

Bill Ayers launched Obama's political career which is questionable

but lets look at Obama's quotes about getting life advice from FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS a known member of the CPUSA

lets look at KHALID ABDULLAH TARIQ AL-MANSOUR who funded Obama's college and solicited Obama's acceptance into Harvard.

how about JOHN L MCKNIGHT who also wrote letters seeking Obama's acceptance to Harvard. Who Obama sites as a monumental educator...

From McKnight, Obama today claims to have received the “best education I ever had, better than anything I got at Harvard Law School.”

How about SAUL ALINSKY a confirmed marxist and the mentor to JOHN L MCKNIGHT

CARL DAVIDSON the leader of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, who is an OPENLY vocal Obama supporter that organized the 2002 rally in which Obama switched his stance on the war in Iraq.


What about just being a paid employee of ACORN period


but if we have to talk about Ayer's why when people are bringing up the $600,000 in scholarships are they not mentioning the grant was given to CAC, an organization ran by Ayer's and MIKE KLONSKY. That groups who gave money DIRECTLY to students where turned down and the money was instead gioven to the CAC who used "external partners" (one of the ACORN) to distribute the money.

how about MIKE KLONSKY who was the leader of a MARXIST-LENINST PARTY so radical it was recognized by CHINA as the OFFICE MAOIST PARTY.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

Obama serves all his pre office life arguing for softer penalites and more chances for youth in the suburbs of Chicago

He launches his state senate bid from Bill Ayers home (bad choice at the least)

that same campaign is at least partially financed by Ayer's and his friends / families money

Obama wins and all of a sudden sponsers a bill (one Ayer's had been shopping for a while to other politicans) to crack down on youth criminals basically reducing 3 strikes to 2. <yes that is a 180 turn from everything Obama has EVER said>

the thing that bothers me is Obama's constant "I do not know the guy"

there is a board that Obama was a PAID member of whose funds are 80% obtained through Ayer's and his family

Ayer's and Barack made at least TWO public appearances togther both organized by MICHELLE OBAMA. You know the people your wife is scheduling to speak with you in public.

I am not sure I believe Barack Obama is a terrorist but I think he is too close to them.

Like someone else posted, what if George Bush served as a paid board member on a board created by and supplemented by David Duke.

Now George W might not be a racist because of that, BUT it would damn sure be too close for me.

some of the claims you are making, I have been unable to substantiate. the only money I can find that went to Obama as a contribution back on his first or second state run is $200. I am not saying there is not more... just, I have not been able to find it. I am certainly unaware of the bill you speak of... that said, I also am not familiar with the crime issues in Chicago... I do not recall Obama saying "I do not know the guy"... I thought he said they were not "friends" or something... depending on what they were on the board of, I don't know how I would feel about Bush being on a board with David Duke. I know that sounds like bullshit, but to put it differently, I guess I am saying I hate David Duke as much as I hate Bill Ayers... but would find a tough time having an issue with Bush being on a board with him, if the organization they were on the board together on was issuing college scholarships in an honest way, and that is all I was able to determine they did. I would still hate David Duke, and my opinion of Bush would be what it is, separate from Duke. now, if I found out they were plotting bad things or something, or even really were "beer buddies"... then yeah... that would impact my opinion.

that said, I do understand the gist of the point now though.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by cowboys_junkie

Obama and Ayers were part of a 50 million dollar request for monies to be spent on political indoctrination of school children. The fact that they share common political views is disturbing to say the least. I'd rather they be drinking partners.

I'm sorry... can you elaborate on the political indoctrination of school children? thanks.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by cowboys_junkie

Also, don't forget that Ayers laments, in interviews, not having done more domestic terrorism or having more success with it.

when I delved further into that, I found that he later clarified that what he meant was that he didn't think enough was done to stop the war... not that he meant he had not done more bombing.

now... obviously, that is what he SAID... I am certainly not implying that is necessarily what he really MEANT. just sayin'.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

Bill Ayers launched Obama's political career which is questionable

but lets look at Obama's quotes about getting life advice from FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS a known member of the CPUSA

lets look at KHALID ABDULLAH TARIQ AL-MANSOUR who funded Obama's college and solicited Obama's acceptance into Harvard.

how about JOHN L MCKNIGHT who also wrote letters seeking Obama's acceptance to Harvard. Who Obama sites as a monumental educator...

From McKnight, Obama today claims to have received the “best education I ever had, better than anything I got at Harvard Law School.”

How about SAUL ALINSKY a confirmed marxist and the mentor to JOHN L MCKNIGHT

CARL DAVIDSON the leader of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, who is an OPENLY vocal Obama supporter that organized the 2002 rally in which Obama switched his stance on the war in Iraq.


What about just being a paid employee of ACORN period


but if we have to talk about Ayer's why when people are bringing up the $600,000 in scholarships are they not mentioning the grant was given to CAC, an organization ran by Ayer's and MIKE KLONSKY. That groups who gave money DIRECTLY to students where turned down and the money was instead gioven to the CAC who used "external partners" (one of the ACORN) to distribute the money.

how about MIKE KLONSKY who was the leader of a MARXIST-LENINST PARTY so radical it was recognized by CHINA as the OFFICE MAOIST PARTY.

whoa... okay... I'll need some time to look at this stuff... that was a lot, all at once! LOL... I don't know half the people you name here, or have an understanding of some of the organizations... so give me some time to look all of this up. those are certainly some interesting situations... thanks for the additional info, dude.

[eoeleven]

Howard Machtinger, Jeff Jones, Steve Tappis and Mark Rudd all have signed a petition calling for an "independent grassroots effort" to help strengthen Sen. Barack Obama's campaign

Machtinger was a Weathermen founder and was co-author of the terror group's original mission statement, which called for "revolutionaries within the United States to wage a 'people's war' and attack from within. The government would fall and 'world communism' eventually would be instituted."

Jones, according to his own website, was "elected, along with (Weathermen terrorist) Bill Ayers and Mark Rudd, to the SDS national office. Then, in the spring of 1970, he disappeared. As a leader of the Weather Underground, Jeff evaded an intense FBI. manhunt for more than a decade.

Tappis was one of 11 people who signed the original Weathermen statement, which was infamously titled, "You Don't Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows."

Rudd, a petition supporter as well as a main signatory to the Progressives for Obama group, was one of the main founders of the Weathermen terrorist organization.

"Clearly Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, are not the only former Weathermen backing Obama. Add their old comrades Jeff Jones, Howie Machtinger, Mark Rudd and even Steve Tappis to the mix and you are starting to get beyond coincidence. That former terrorists are working with Marxist groups to elect Barack Obama is beyond doubt." Trevor Louden