Election 2008

cowboys_junkie · #**1451** 06-19-2008

I don't like being dependent upon it, but I'm also not interested in giving up the territory we already have. And as long as we have men and women here willing to volunteer themselves, albiet for pay, then I say we dig in and defend it.

Read this....

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/...ica/19iraq.php

rich_one · #**1452** 06-19-2008

This is a seriously compelling read regarding the effect of water vapor on the atmosphere... and I now wonder... is creating fuel cell cars that emit water vapor REALLY a good idea? I am not thinking we need to spend more resources in truly understanding what we think we know about greenhouse effect, before we start trying to solve it... here is the article:

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/17402

that said... my bigger concern is the cost of fuel. but as it pertains to greenhouse gases, this issue, that the Dems have hung their hats on, certainly does appear to have lots of smoke and mirrors attached to it. interesting.

cowboys_junkie · #**1453** 06-19-2008

I am not interested in spending billions of dollars on a solution for something we think we know, when so many scientists are saying we know nothing.

rich_one · #**1454** 06-19-2008

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Originally Posted by cowboys_junkie

I am not interested in spending billions of dollars on a solution for something we think we know, when so many scientists are saying we know nothing.

my point exactly... meaning, we need to research this more to make sure the solution we find, does not need a solution 20 years from now.

rich_one · #**1455** 06-19-2008

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Originally Posted by cowboys_junkie

I don't like being dependent upon it, but I'm also not interested in giving up the territory we already have. And as long as we have men and women here willing to volunteer themselves, albiet for pay, then I say we dig in and defend it.

Read this....

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/...ica/19iraq.php

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I want us dependent on our own oil. I am tired of the middle east.

Stealersrule · #**1456** 06-19-2008

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Originally Posted by rich_one

co2 is carbon dioxide... right? that feeds plants. cars emit carbon monoxide, right? so water is a more dangerous greenhouse gas, than carbon monoxide? hmmm... I need to research that, clearly. It is very tough for me to envision some the worst case scenarios you draw out sometimes. I am not saying they are not feasible... don't get me wrong. it is just that for my ability to digest them, they seem so very doomsday related. I may obviously just be missing the boat here.

What you have to look at Rich, is what is "Ozone" It is made in the upper atmosphere by braking down the oxygen in the gases that reach it. Carbon Dioxide contains twice as much oxygen than Carbon Monoxide. So Carbon Dioxide would be worse, assuming it is emmited at the same volume as Carbon Monoxide.

Heard on the radio yesterday, that Al Gore installed a bunch of energy saving devices in his home last year, and is now using ten percent more energy. Hard to figure.

Ozone link

http://education.yahoo.com/reference...ry/entry/ozone

rich_one · #**1457** 06-19-2008

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Originally Posted by Stealersrule

What you have to look at Rich, is what is "Ozone" It is made in the upper atmosphere by braking down the oxygen in the gases that reach it. Carbon Dioxide contains twice as much oxygen than Carbon Monoxide. So Carbon Dioxide would be worse, assuming it is emmited at the same volume as Carbon Monoxide.

Heard on the radio yesterday, that Al Gore installed a bunch of energy saving devices in his home last year, and is now using ten percent more energy. Hard to figure.

Ozone link

http://education.yahoo.com/reference...ry/entry/ozone

actually, since I made this post, I read information that suggests water vapor is dangerous to the ozone layer... so frankly, this is all very confusing, and bears more research.

cowboys_junkie · #**1458** 06-19-2008

Until they come up with an alternative fuel using semi truck prices on all goods and services will continue to rise for as long as gas is as expensive as it is.

rich_one · #**1459** 06-19-2008

and as eo alluded to... even with the fuel cell car, we need to be cautious. if water vapor is dangerous to the ozone layer, do we want to producing it at a high volume? I too want an fossil fuel alternative... my reasons, are also due to fuels costs... not being "green". I do try to be green where I can, by recycling and such, as I do not see how it can hurt... but by no stretch am I a "greenhouse gas" fanatic.

Stealersrule · #**1460** 06-19-2008

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Originally Posted by clarke

100% correct...except for the CO2 part....we create that....but trees create water vapor....so lets cut down the f-cking trees, kill all the radicals in the middle east and france (reduce CO2 production), eat the cows, and turn the water into wine.

And here I thought the whole photosynthesis thing was about the tree's creating oxygen for us to breathe from carbon dioxide, water vapor, and sunlight.

See link below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis