Presidential Race 08 Election 2008

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by rich_one

I completely agree with you on that too. I don't understand why we cannot do more to hasten both of these things. clearly, it is time to sever ties with foreign oil. it has gotten to the point of ridiculous now. no offense... I love nature and all of that too... but f*ck a caribou or whatever it is, and some sea creature, right this moment.

let me ask you this, as a discussion not so much as a belief...

what if the US government has no intention of diverifying us from foriegn oil?

what is dependance on imported goods are and means to an end?

of a single monetary order for the entire world.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

the hydrogen fuel cell admissions are worse for the "greenhouse gases" than regular fuel. Water Vapor is the #1 green house gas and the hydrogen fuel cells actually will increase that level faster than regular cars do co2

I think the entire GREEN movement is a con. Funny how it was not until GE had some patents expire that the new GREEN lightbulb came out and is getting pushed. THe GREEN light bulb patnetn just happens to be held by? You guessed it GE. Which media source pushes GREEN the hardest NBC owned by? You guessed it GE, major stock holder in GE? Al Gore.

What we need is for Government to get the hell out of the way and lets businesses GROW. Government should spend more time preventing foriegn buy outs of ICON brands.

Miller sold to South Africa
Coors sold to South Africa

now Budweiser might be sold to Belgium

NAFTA seemed like a great idea, until companies realized I can build in Mexico or Canada and not have to worry about STUPID green laws.

Regulation against business is the #1 cause of our econmic downfall

By no later 2025 the Euro will replace the dollar as the currency of the World Reserve. When that happens our economy will be regulated to second tier status (we will no longer be considered and economic super power). This will be crushign when you consider the LARGE amounts of our Government debt held by China and Japan. In a nutt shell we will be OWNED by those two countries economy.

We debate here about who should take care of who's children or national sovereignty but honestly if we do not correct the downward spiral of industrial American it will not matter. We will be doing what the United States of Europa tell us to do.

co2 is carbon dioxide... right? that feeds plants. cars emit carbon monoxide, right? so water is a more dangerous greenhouse gas, than carbon monoxide? hmmm... I need to research that, clearly. It is very tough for me to envision some the worst case scenarios you draw out sometimes. I am not saying they are not feasible... don't get me wrong. it is just that for my ability to digest them, they seem so very doomsday related. I may obviously just be missing the boat here.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

let me ask you this, as a discussion not so much as a belief...

what if the US government has no intention of diverifying us from foriegn oil?

what is dependance on imported goods are and means to an end?

of a single monetary order for the entire world.

as far as I am concerned, we do not appear anywhere close to such a goal. so what I see, is exactly what you eluded to a few posts ago... I see my family struggling to pay higher fuel costs, to the point of being just ridiculous. do I wish to be financially drained by skyrocketing fuel costs, for the greater good of a single monetary order for the entire world? Hell no. that ain't happening in my lifetime anyway.

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by rich_one

co2 is carbon dioxide... right? that feeds plants. cars emit carbon monoxide, right? so water is a more dangerous greenhouse gas, than carbon monoxide? hmmm... I need to research that, clearly. It is very tough for me to envision some the worst case scenarios you draw out sometimes. I am not saying they are not feasible... don't get me wrong. it is just that for my ability to digest them, they seem so very doomsday related. I may obviously just be missing the boat here.

CO2 is the #2 green house gas volume wise

I cannot say if it is dangerous or not, because frankly I believe a lot of that green house stuff to be hog wash.

I do know however that of the gases labels "greenhouse" the most prevelent one is water vapor and that hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapor at a high level.

Personally as I have read about greenhouse gases I keep seeign the same two things in the reports from both sides

#1 Gas is water vapor and the #1 source of it is the 86% of the planet that is water

#2 Gas is CO2 and the #1 source of it is photosynthesis created by plant life

#3 Gas is methane and the #1 source of it is bovine flatulence (yes cow farts)

so if the #1, #2 and #3 highest gases are not man made or controlable what is the big deal?

Greenies want us all to go vegan and stop eating cows sow we will have fewer of them (yes the same idiots that want to alt business production to save a single cell woodtrush amobia) suggest we kill off a few thousand cows.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

CO2 is the #2 green house gas volume wise

I cannot say if it is dangerous or not, because frankly I believe a lot of that green house stuff to be hog wash.

I do know however that of the gases labels "greenhouse" the most prevelent one is water vapor and that hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapor at a high level.

Personally as I have read about greenhouse gases I keep seeign the same two things in the reports from both sides

#1 Gas is water vapor and the #1 source of it is the 86% of the planet that is water

#2 Gas is CO2 and the #1 source of it is photosynthesis created by plant life

#3 Gas is methane and the #1 source of it is bovine flatulence (yes cow farts)

so if the #1, #2 and #3 highest gases are not man made or controlable what is the big deal?

Greenies want us all to go vegan and stop eating cows sow we will have fewer of them (yes the same idiots that want to alt business production to save a single cell woodtrush amobia) suggest we kill off a few thousand cows.

well, for starters, #2 is incorrect. plants do not create CO2. they consume CO2, which is created by other sources. plants create oxygen.

[cowboys_junkie]

The Euro will not last. The fact that it is trading at such a high rate now is killing European exports.

Even the evil George Soros is predicting the comeback of the dollar.

Personally I feel this attack on the U.S. dollar is being done intentionally, by external forces, to move the country to voting for a Democrat.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by rich_one

co2 is carbon dioxide... right? that feeds plants. cars emit carbon monoxide, right? so water is a more dangerous greenhouse gas, than carbon monoxide? hmmm... I need to research that, clearly. It is very tough for me to envision some the worst case scenarios you draw out sometimes. I am not saying they are not feasible... don't get me wrong. it is just that for my ability to digest them, they seem so very doomsday related. I may obviously just be missing the boat here.

okay... correction... burning fossil fuels does indeed create carbon dioxide as well. I am doing some reading on this greenhouse gas thing, to attempt to gain a better understanding. from what I have read so far, there are good greenhouse gasses, and bad greenhouse gasses. water vapor is a good greenhoue gas. I will try to digest the reasoning behind it all, and post as I can... just in an attempt not for my benefit of understanding all of this better... maybe it'll help someone else here as well, in the event I am not the only one not fully emersed in this topic.

[eoeleven]

Originally Posted by rich_one

as far as I am concerned, we do not appear anywhere close to such a goal. so what I see, is exactly what you eluded to a few posts ago... I see my family struggling to pay higher fuel costs, to the point of being just ridiculous. do I wish to be financially drained by skyrocketing fuel costs, for the greater good of a single monetary order for the entire world? Hell no. that ain't happening in my lifetime anyway.

I would not be so sure

the Euro



the new $1 coin scheduled to replace the paper dollar





many European countries already have a "terra" plan for the day it happens

VISA had plans for the "terra" when they incorporated 25 years ago. They also envisioned a master plan to use the then unheard of DEBIT card to eliminate the need for money at all by 2012. 25 years ago people thought VISA was crazy but WHAMMO they were right ont he debit card.

When any of the Soviet block, Turkey, or Northern African began using the Euro (all expected to happen before 2025) the dollar will not longer be the currency used by the world banks to secure debt. At that point the US would have to conform or be left behind.

Other economist will tell the ONLY reason we do not have a single currency now is because Islam, by religious law, does not allow interest.

So I ask any one that says "no blood for oil" is our war really over oil or interst rates? Why woudl we single out Islamic nations in a oil war?

Iran and Iraq make up 5.7 of the world oil production.

Russia makes up 5.8
Norway 6.3

both would be an easier opponent, and frankly a war with russia would have been better recieved by the American public in 1990 and probably now.

So I ask you is the "terra" such a far fetched idea? Why do we already have a name for it? Why do some many places have a plan for it?

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

CO2 is the #2 green house gas volume wise

I cannot say if it is dangerous or not, because frankly I believe a lot of that green house stuff to be hog wash.

I do know however that of the gases labels "greenhouse" the most prevelent one is water vapor and that hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapor at a high level.

Personally as I have read about greenhouse gases I keep seeign the same two things in the reports from both sides

#1 Gas is water vapor and the #1 source of it is the 86% of the planet that is water

#2 Gas is CO2 and the #1 source of it is photosynthesis created by plant life

#3 Gas is methane and the #1 source of it is bovine flatulence (yes cow farts)

so if the #1, #2 and #3 highest gases are not man made or controlable what is the big deal?

Greenies want us all to go vegan and stop eating cows sow we will have fewer of them (yes the same idiots that want to alt business production to save a single cell woodtrush amobia) suggest we kill off a few thousand cows.

you know, eo? this water vapor thing is indeed interesting... I don't know that we have enough of an understanding of it's impact on the atmosphere, to be pushing too much of THAT out either... in that regard, your point is well made. this certainly bears more research.

[rich_one]

Originally Posted by eoeleven

I would not be so sure

the Euro



the new $1 coin scheduled to replace the paper dollar





many European countries already have a "terra" plan for the day it happens

VISA had plans for the "terra" when they incorporated 25 years ago. They also envisioned a master plan to use the then unheard of DEBIT card to eliminate the need for money at all by 2012. 25 years ago people thought VISA was crazy but WHAMMO they were right ont he debit card.

When any of the Soviet block, Turkey, or Northern African began using the Euro (all expected to happen before 2025) the dollar will not longer be the currency used by the world banks to secure debt. At that point the US would have to conform or be left behind.

Other economist will tell the ONLY reason we do not have a single currency now is because Islam, by religious law, does not allow interest.

So I ask any one that says "no blood for oil" is our war really over oil or interst rates? Why woudl we single out Islamic nations in a oil war?

Iran and Iraq make up 5.7 of the world oil production.

Russia makes up 5.8
Norway 6.3

both would be an easier opponent, and frankly a war with russia would have been better recieved by the American public in 1990 and probably now.

So I ask you is the "terra" such a far fetched idea? Why do we already have a name for it? Why do some many places have a plan for it?

compelling argument... I'll give you that. I just ain't buying it. that damn oil in the middle east, as far as I am concerned, contributes to our ongoing dependence on that area, and I, for one, would like to see it end. it is ridiculous to me, that we have men dying over there, while we continue to suffer escalating fuel costs, meanwhile, we are scared to kill some damn caribou and a few fish and shrimp.

let's save the animals, but lets send our sons to war, so the animals can live.

stupid as hell, imo.